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dtagames | 8 days ago

This is an article that's so ahead of its time that it's likely to be ignored. The TL;DR is that true agentic development doesn't improve the software dev lifecycle, it throws huge chunks of it in the trash.

When your context environment and constraints are properly designed, many planning, testing, and review stages can simply be skipped. It's remarkable but true.

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bensyverson|8 days ago

Yes, LLMs can basically short-circuit the entire product design and development process if you want them to. You can write "Give me a goal tracking app" and pretty reliably one-shot it. Success?

I think a lot of folks would benefit from re-reading the Agile Manifesto [0]. Unfortunately in the corporate world, "Agile" became almost a perfect inversion of the original 12 principles, but in the age of AI, I think it's more relevant than ever. Back when you could only get through a handful of "user stories" per week, there was tremendous pressure on developers to prioritize the "right" ones, which led to more and more layers of planners, architects and delivery leads.

Now the feedback loop between the customer, business and developer is as tight as it always should have been.

  [0]: https://agilemanifesto.org

dtagames|7 days ago

That's decidedly not what the article or I said. This only works with carefully controlled context and that context replaces much of the previous SDLC. No one is talking about one-shot or even vibe coding.

As for agile, it was always ceremony (even says so on the tin) and can't die soon enough. A timed sprint makes no sense in an LLM environment. Just ship your damn software and stop having meetings. AI tools get us closer to XP, not agile.

bluesnowmonkey|8 days ago

Agreed. People aren’t ready for this, even (maybe especially) on HN.

Everyone’s hung up on how nobody really does waterfall. Or course. But a LOT of people are vibing their code and making PRs and then getting buried in code reviews. Just like the article says, you can’t keep up that way. Obviously. Only agents can review code as fast as agents write it. But I find as of recently that agents review code better than people now, just like how they write it better. Gotta lean into it!

g-b-r|8 days ago

> Only agents can review code as fast as agents write it

Which means that their writing speed is misleading, and AI or not AI you can only produce quality software at the speed that humans can review it.

It's never been hard for a computer to write gibberish very fast.

skeeter2020|8 days ago

>> But I find as of recently that agents review code better than people now, just like how they write it better.

Let me guess: you're building a system that uses AI agents to replace all the PR-type tasks most of us waste their time completing?

ivan_gammel|8 days ago

It’s ahead of time the same way as sci fi novels writing about fusion energy sources. May happen some day, we don’t know when.