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sodapopcan | 8 days ago

The problem with this is that it means you have to read guides which it seems no one wants to do. It drives me nuts.

But ya, I hate when people say they don't like "magic." It's not magic, it's programming.

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coldtea|8 days ago

Most however are surely capable of understanding a simple metaphor, in which "magic" in the context of coding means "behavior occuring implicitly/as a black box".

Yes, it's not magic as in Merlin or Penn and Teller. But it is magic in the aforementioned sense, which is also what people complain about.

bryanrasmussen|8 days ago

https://medium.com/luminasticity/laborers-craftsmen-and-arti...

in my experience among personality types of programmers both laborers and artists are opposed to the reading of guides, I think the laborers due to laziness and the artists due to a high susceptibility to boredom and most guides are not written to the intellectually engaging level of SICP.

Craftsmen are naturally the type to read the guide through.

Of course if you spend enough time in the field you end up just reading the docs, more or less, because everybody ends up adapting craftsmen habits over time.

sodapopcan|7 days ago

I don't disagree, but the fact that it's not required to border on expert, or be willing to put in the work to get there, of a framework or library you are going to be working heavily in a pretty broken thing about our industry. But you know, as people have been posting lately: not AI therefore irrelevant.

monkpit|8 days ago

Magic refers to specific techniques used in programming, an people generally dislike these techniques once they have formed any opinion.

bryanrasmussen|8 days ago

do people generally dislike magic once they have formed an opinion, or is it just that people who dislike magic are more prone to voicing that opinion, why, if magic is disliked by people experienced enough to form opinions, does it keep coming back around?

I would suppose the people who create "magic" solutions have at least voiced an opinion that they like magic and the people who take up those solutions the same, for the record I too dislike magic but my feeling is that I am somewhat in the minority on that.

WJW|8 days ago

Oh no! Reading!

Sorry for the snark but why is this such a problem?

fragmede|8 days ago

Because people won't do it.