[b00ty4breakfast]

I'm always surprised to hear that a government agency administers polygraph tests in something as serious as hiring but then I remember the CIA also spent millions of dollars trying to develop telekinetic assassins and train clairvoyants to spy on the Kremlin.

[delichon]

The polygraph doesn't have to emit any useful data at all to be very useful in interrogations. Like a bomb doesn't have to have any explosive in it to clear a building. Interrogation is a head game and a complicated box with knobs and buttons and maybe even blinking lights makes a fine prop.

And there's enough ambiguity in it that it's easy for the operator to believe it helps. Like a dowser with their rods, a clergyman with a holy book or an astrologist with a horoscope. That gives them the power boost of sincerity.

[bigiain]

I'd like to say "I'm always surprised to hear that a government agency administers institutionalized mental abuse". But I'm not surprised at all.

ACAB, Including being B to other C.

[awakeasleep]

Everyone repeats this old canard but no one has any evidence even anecdotes to show that a polygraph machine is better than any other way to head fake someone in an interrogation

[citizenpaul]

As normal HN shows that "power structures" completely eludes them as a group.

Here is why lie detectors exist.

1. They are legal. 2. Abusive interrogation of US citizens is not legal.

A polygraph is a risk assessment. If you break under completely safe sanctioned questions. You are gonna spill everything if someone from the others side is questioning you.

This person could have just shown up and shrugged for X hrs and they would have had no more than 1 polygraph every 10 years. Instead they kept doing exactly what the test is concerned about. How easy are you to break? Which is why they kept getting more and more tests. They were considered high risk.

[Anthony-G]

This comment reminds me of one of my favourite scenes from The Wire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO_rAaiq0

“Americans are stupid people, by and large. We pretty much believe whatever we’re told”.

“The bigger the lie, the more they believe”.

[halJordan]

If you ever get the opportunity to read what people admit, unprompted, during these "conversations" then you'll know why they'll never go away. Stuff like, "yeah i stepped on a kitten's head once, but i was young... No i don't see why anyone would have a problem with that."

No one wants that guy working at the cia.

[masfuerte]

Are you sure? Post 9/11 the CIA decided they needed to be in the business of kidnapping and torturing. They didn't seem to have any trouble finding employees to do it.

[altmanaltman]

yeah CIA never has a history of doing terrible things and causing harm to people. Why would they hire pyschopaths?

[Herring]

Actually it sounds more like hazing to me (unethical but not entirely irrational).

[XorNot]

That research was oriented towards making sure it wasn't possible though.

You're saying "of course it isn't" - but how do you know that?

At the time the Soviets had the same sort of projects. So until you're sure it's not possible, the potential capability is an enormous threat if it is.

How they went about that research is where the waste creeps in.

[endominus]

> General Brown: So they started doing psy-research because they thought we were doing psy-research, when in fact we weren't doing psy-research?

> Brigadier General Dean Hopgood: Yes sir. But now that they are doing psy-research, we're gonna have to do psy-research, sir. We can't afford to have the Russian's leading the field in the paranormal.

Source: The Men Who Stare at Goats

[b00ty4breakfast]

Plenty of things we could be wasting money on if the only criteria is "how do you know it's not real?", why stop at killing goats with mind bullets? We could be looking for yetis or Atlantis or lunar nazi spaceships.

It was a giant waste of time and money and, this being the CIA, it likely harmed many people.

[Hikikomori]

Was drugging random Americans with LSD also a valid experiment? Parts of the CIA was just insane back then, maybe still is.

[rapnie]

I always wonder when I see one of those hypnosis shows, where someone from the audience makes themselves a docile fool in front of a large crowd, whether they are stooges or it is the real deal. But I wouldn't volunteer to get hypnotised to figure that out, in fear of being the next person who stands imitating a dog in heat on such a stage.

[driverdan]

You don't waste resources researching something with no plausibility or explanation as to how it could exist.

[stareatgoats]

> train clairvoyants

Hey a goat actually died you know

[assaddayinh]

The main job of every station chief is to sit drunk in bars, listen to the high tales of the locals and yell "i did that" everytime the people had enough into the telephone to washington. Secret services are first and foremost storytellers...