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formerly_proven | 8 days ago

Toyota sells bad EVs and was the last OEM to offer one. It’s the most anti-EV OEM by far and engages/engaged in the most EV FUD.

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Spooky23|8 days ago

The bZ4X was particularly bad. Toyota adopted a combo of NIH syndrome and DNGAF. They didn’t anticipate cold weather. The batteries lost like 30% of their capacity in the cold and the resale value of it tanked.

magicalhippo|8 days ago

> The batteries lost like 30% of their capacity in the cold

Here in Norway Toyota was invited to include the bZ4X in this years winter range test[1], but they declined. Suzuki entered with their eVitara model, which is a "technological twin" of the Toyota Urban Cruiser.

The Urban Cruiser really disappointed in a regular test performed in cold weather[2]. So perhaps unsurprisingly, the Suzuki eVitara was by far the worst in the winter range test, with the least range overall and more than 40% reduction compared to its WLTP range, among the worst in the test.

[1]: https://www.tek.no/nyheter/nyhet/i/d4mMkA/verdens-stoerste-r...

[2]: https://www.tek.no/test/i/OkQAwE/toyota-urban-cruiser

aaronbrethorst|8 days ago

They’re also just phenomenally ugly cars.

some-guy|8 days ago

I have only purchased Toyota vehicles (currently in the market for an EV) and it baffles me that Dodge created a Charger in EV form and Toyota hasn’t made even an EV Corolla or Camry.

freetime2|8 days ago

> it baffles me that Dodge created a Charger in EV form and Toyota hasn’t made even an EV Corolla or Camry

Dodge's Charger EV has been a sales flop [1] and pretty much universally panned by critics as something that nobody asked for.

The Camry and Corolla were the best-selling sedan and compact sedan of 2025 [2]. I think this shows that Toyota is listening to what Corolla and Camry drivers want - something inexpensive and reliable to get them to and from work every day without issue.

Some day Toyota will make an EV sedan. I think their 2026 bZ Woodland [3] shows that they are starting to figure out how make compelling EVs. And Toyota's EV strategy seems pretty reasonable to me overall - their delays to develop a decent EV don't seem to put them under threat from any legacy automakers. They are being threatened by Chinese EV makers, but so is Tesla - so even a huge head start likely wouldn't have benefited Toyota much either in that regard.

[1] https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a69927938/dodge-charger-da...

[2] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64457986/bestselling-cars...

[3] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/02/looks-a-lot-like-an-ele...

lostlogin|8 days ago

An electric Corolla or Camry is my ultimate. I hate driving.

I want an appliance that just works. The Corolla and Camry were this for petrol.

I love my Leaf but it isn’t a Carolla.

What’s with the turning circle on the Leaf?

badc0ffee|8 days ago

And yet they had one of the first hybrids (although not a plug-in hybrid) in the Prius.

seanmcdirmid|7 days ago

Honda also was early in hybrids, but they like Toyota are also late on EVs.