[Msurrow]

I have not knowledge of this kind of software dev/hw production, so can you please explain why the units cant just be born with a default pass and then have the setup process (which is always there) Force the owner to set a new password?

Knowledge or not, this..

> It's not impossible, it's just extra work that usually goes unrewarded.

.. is just not an acceptable way for business to think and operate i 2026, especially not when it comes to internet connected video enabled devices

[Neywiny]

I'll answer your question with a question: how often do you see people complaining about needing setup processes vs the old way of just plug and play? There's no perfect answer that placates all sides. Things can certainly be better, but when those people win and you no longer need to have a setup process, then what?

While true that in $current_year it would be nice if things were more secure, the sad truth is that most people don't care.

[Msurrow]

I agree that yes most just want PnP and basically don’t care about security. But it seemed on the posts above that there was an engineering complexity, and a robot vaccum needs local WiFi, so there will be a setup flow. Whats preventing a password selection just be part of that?

[thenthenthen]

I am shocked really, i think this is actual law in China.

[thenthenthen]

This is just people working 24/7 for 50 dollars a month? Because we want cheap shit