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boriskourt | 6 days ago

yes, a lot of the issues around this come because of the lack of dignity.

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pjc50|6 days ago

Both in the case of drugs and short form vertical video.

There's a lot of stuff which may loosely be termed "vices", e.g. alcohol and gambling, which have the property:

- many people never touch

- many people indulge without significant harm, getting enjoyment from the process

- some people over indulge messily

- a few people get their lives completely ruined, or ruin the lives of those around them

Then there's an uncomfortable, unreconcilable tension between the desire to punish/prevent the last group by banning the thing, versus the second group entirely reasonably saying that it's not a problem for them.

balamatom|6 days ago

To be fair, sobriety has the same property; so does feature-length landscape-oriented cinema; so does involvement in religious and political affairs.

Many things that people get up to ostensibly "of their own accord" have these four groups of outcomes, in different proportions. Makes you figure.

I'm of the opinion that the main problem has always been the increasing powerlessness of the individual in the face of mass social phenomena that camouflage as "your life now" but are instead someone's viral PR campaign. In Germany this stuff passed in 10ish years, in Russia it passed in 80ish; California still countin'