[DonHopkins]

Yeah, but you literally and officially hate LGBTQ+ people, treat women as property, condone slavery, and literally hallucinate that crackers and wine are flesh and blood in spite of what your eyes, nose, taste buds, and all scientific instruments and measurements tell you.

Edit: yet you can't counter the objective fact that the Catholic Church is a hateful abusive power hungry cult full of dogmatically hallucinating lunatics, homophobes, and misogynists. Go eat your Jesus flesh and drink your Jesus blood, you cannibalistic vampire whack job.

You know as well as I do that the bible and church writings are chock full of evidence proving my point, so you can google it yourself.

And you also know that your church has such a long sordid history of raping children and protecting rapist priests than Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor's molestations and Trump's protection of pedophiles make them look like saints in comparison, and you can google that yourself too.

You don't deserve the favor of me giving you proof of something you already know to be true, because you're not arguing in good faith, you know very well you're wrong and I'm right and that all the evidence is on my side and easily found and documented, and I know very well you will reject all fact based evidence because of your bad faith.

[bigstrat2003]

My brother, literally not one of your claims is true. I'm not sure where you have gotten the idea that such lies are the truth, but you really should reconsider your position. You seem to be very angry at the church (based on you posting this sort of thing all up and down the thread), but believing outright false ideas about the church isn't going to fix anything.

[wolvesechoes]

Man, you are straight out of some meme generator back from Dawkins's heyday.

> treat women as property, condone slavery

Any examples in Church writings?

[1718627440]

> literally hallucinate that crackers and wine are flesh and blood in spite of what your eyes, nose, taste buds, and all scientific instruments and measurements tell you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_miracle#Scientific...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12491371/

You might not agree with it, but it is not as simple as it defying all sensory input and data.

[DonHopkins]

I'm sorry, but you've got to be a delusional lunatic to attempt to defend that kind of brazen biblical gaslighting. I don't agree with it because it's absolutely objectively insane and mendacious and unjustifiable in any context, no matter how much insincere self-serving apologetics and white-washing you can dig up. And your leaping to its defense is just as evil.

And even if you fully buy into and defend that reality-denying fairy tale, you still have to justify the institutionalized cannibalism and vampirism. It's a sick, sick, crucification fetishizing death cult.

And on top of that, as you very well know and can't deny, the Catholic Church and you complicit enablers also defend and support and perpetuate thousands of years of worldwide institutionalized child rape and pedophilia.

No wonder Catholics are so supportive of and defensive about Trump and Epstein -- your church rapes orders of magnitude more children over more millennia than even Epstein could afford or thirst for, and they're still doing it and hiding it and refusing to pay the consequences thanks to people who still cheerfully carry their water like you.

If you don't support cannibalism, vampirism, rape, and pedophilia, you are free to leave the church, but for God's sake, stop hypocritically defending it and the horrible things it does even if you selfishly choose to remain in the cult! Didn't your bible teach you to have some shame?

[karel-3d]

I will surprise you but I agree with one of your points- the abuse crisis is horrible and it should be stopped. Its a deep and recurring stain on the church - and I hope the new generation of the clergy will finally chase it out.