[jmclnx]

Yes I say you are right, but that only proves these companies only want to hire very cheap labor.

There is talent in the US, all it takes is training. Decades ago companies would train new hires out of college, but that trend ended in the 90s.

Wall Street started forcing these companies to chase fast market growth and high stock prices. In many cases profit has no meaning for these startups, the only metric is stock price growing. Then once the investors can sell the stock, they bail leaving the company to figure out how to survive by itself.

[jonfw]

> Decades ago companies would train new hires out out college, but that trend ended in the 90s.

Decades ago engineering salaries were a fraction of what they are today, developing countries did not have computing and educational infrastructure, and we had worse solutions to the logistics challenges from off-shoring.

It is increasingly difficult to justify the US salaries and I'm not sure that the talent pipeline in the US is so superior to make up for it.

As folks optimize for getting these high paying jobs it is increasingly difficult to find someone who has legitimate problem solving skills vs someone who has invested a lot of effort into looking hireable.

[tzs]

> Decades ago engineering salaries were a fraction of what they are today

That may be so at the FAANGs and the companies trying to become FAANG-like, but I'm not sure that's the case for people working at more ordinary places.

3 decades ago I worked at a place making retail software for Windows and Mac. I had ~15 years experience. The net tells me that today median total compensation for that kind of job at that experience level would be around $150k/year.

I made $63k that year. My recollection is that this was a pretty normal amount at the time.

If we adjust using CPI that would be $132k now, which suggests my salary then was about 12% lower than an equivalent salary today. However, if we adjust using the indexing factors [1], which are usually consider better than using CPI for comparing wages across time, my $63k then is equivalent to $169k now.

[1] https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awifactors.html

[surgical_fire]

> There is talent in the US, all it takes is training

Training is expensive and can fail.

That's why experience has value.

[simianwords]

It’s less this but more that talent diversity is present elsewhere. You need constant supply of talent and a good ecosystem that sustains it.

Focusing talent only in a small geographical area has its own risks.

[kadabra9]

Talent diversity willing to work for lower salaries is present elsewhere. That's really what it comes down to.