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rambojohnson | 6 days ago

how is it weird for you exactly? we didn't have masked gestapo thugs before.

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phil21|6 days ago

It's weird due to the complete lack of second order thinking the majority of people seem to have.

You can scream up and down about how building such things is a horrible idea because it can one day be used for evil, and folks will either yawn or call you paranoid or worse.

Then the thing actually gets (very lightly) abused/used for something folks don't like and omg it's an emergency no one could have ever predicted! And oh look - it's often times far too late to do a damn thing about it other than surface level 'fixes' that are nothing of the sort.

It gets very frustrating living in such a society, but it might simply be the way humans are wired. If it's not in your face and actively a major problem to you in the moment, it's simply not a concern.

rambojohnson|5 days ago

I mean you're not wrong, but let's not shy away from the usual pattern we see on here where the YC-brain sees a camera, a cloud dashboard, and a monthly SaaS fee and immediately calls it "the future," then acts blindsided when people notice they funded a suburban panopticon. Every time it is the same script, and then six months later everybody is pretending nobody could have foreseen the obvious abuse case.

I was always anti-IoT for this exact reason.

dogleash|5 days ago

It's weird because one of the main selling points for the principled position against surveillance is your inability to control which use-cases are allowed.

The way to avoid masked gestapo thugs is to ensure that not even your preferred leaders are able to create them.

ljsprague|6 days ago

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bcrosby95|6 days ago

It's kinda like clearing the table by throwing everything in the trash.

HotGarbage|6 days ago

Licking the boot now won't keep it off your neck in the future.

ImPostingOnHN|6 days ago

the "IC" in "ICE" stands for "Law", apparently

Natfan|6 days ago

first they came for etc etc