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ENGNR | 6 days ago

Banks remain with COBOL because it's unsexy and stable. And then they say... let's just YOLO some vibe code into the next release sight unseen! Logic checks out.

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whynotmaybe|6 days ago

Banks remain on COBOL because of the quantity of code that's been tested in real life situation for decades.

Yes IBM license for mainframe are expensive but it never fails.

I worked on a migration project where only the tests would take a few thousand days.

Yes they could be automated, but the regulations in place required that a human sign that all the test were executed at least once by a human.

captain_coffee|6 days ago

What do you mean "only the tests would take a few thousand days"?

Did running the test suite take 10 years? Like literally what exactly do you mean?

themafia|6 days ago

They stick with COBOL because it runs well on the mainframe. The mainframe and sysplex architecture gives them an absurd level of stability and virtualization that I don't think the rest of the market has nearly caught up to yet. Plus having a powerful and rugged centralized controller for all of this is very useful in the banking business model.

Betelbuddy|6 days ago

This is the reason. IBM Mainframe business grew 60%. The modern mainframe is the best state of the art platform for computing, in both reliability and efficiency.

conartist6|5 days ago

You couldn't score any higher on the risk factors. The training corpus for COBOL can't be all that large so the models won't understand it that well. Humans are largely out of the loop and the tooling guardrails are insufficient. Causing a billion dollar disaster with the help of a "shotgun surgeon"? Priceless.

rbanffy|5 days ago

It'll be sooo fun to watch...

andor|5 days ago

Banks are slowly moving away from their old COBOL systems. It's about cost as much as it's about catching up with the neo-bank competition.

The main thing that makes this difficult is that in most cases the new system is supposed to be more capable. Transactional batch processing systems are replaced with event-based distributed systems. Much more difficult to get right.

bpodgursky|6 days ago

Banks remain with COBOL because they have a fuckton of COBOL code and 4 people can write it. There's nothing more to it.

Now, 4 million people can write it.

notepad0x90|6 days ago

I don't think learning how to write COBOL was ever a problem. Knowing that spaghetti codebase and how small changes in one place cause calamity all over the place is. Those 4 people's job is to avoid outages, not to write tons of code, or fix tons of bugs.

mikepurvis|6 days ago

I would say more significantly, 4 million people can read it. The changes required for any given quarter are probably miniscule, but the tricky part is getting up to speed on all those legacy patterns and architectural decisions.

A model being able to ingest the whole codebase (maybe even its VCS history!) and take you through it is almost certainly the most valuable part of all.

Not to mention the inevitable "now one-shot port that bad boy to rust" discussion.

ASalazarMX|6 days ago

In my experience, learning COBOL takes you a week at most, learning the "COBOLIC" (ha ha) way of your particular source base will take you a couple of months, but mastering it all including architecture will take you a year, half a year if you're really good.

One year from zero to senior doesn't sound that hard, does it? Try that with a Java codebase.

a456463|6 days ago

I would have you nnowhere near my production

SirFatty|6 days ago

It's got to be a lot more than 4. Global Shop (ERP) is written in Visual COBOL.