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octoberfranklin | 6 days ago

I think it's nuts how nobody seemed to care about this mass surveillance tool until it fell into the hands of the red party. "Just keep electing the blue party" is not a convincing security posture.

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toephu2|6 days ago

License plate readers are hardly mass surveillance.

Why is no one in democratic countries complaining about mass surveillance?

And I mean real cameras (not license plate readers) recording 24/7?

I'm talking about UK, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc.

insane_dreamer|5 days ago

unlike most Asian countries, individual freedom is the foundation on which American society has been built; it's why many people migrated to the US over the past 250 years

LPRs are absolutely mass surveillance when used without proper legal restraints

the legal restraints are the big difference between regular police, who operate without very specific boundaries to protect individual rights -- and ICE, who can do whatever they want with impunity. That's what separates "police" from "Gestapo".

doomslayer999|6 days ago

Because we in america tend to value individual liberties in a way that others don't. And yes of course LPR is mass surveillance. Cars should not even have to be registered.

insane_dreamer|5 days ago

maybe we didn't care as much because we didn't have gangs of armed Gestapo-like thugs roaming the streets and abusing or killing people, ripping families apart, unaccountable to the law, and spending billions to build new concentration camps; with this camera data being sold to said secret police.

so, yeah, the stakes are different now. and if the "blue party" was the one pulling this shit I'd be just as mad