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throwaway85825 | 7 days ago

America ended in 1861 when the era of political bargains transitioned to the era of the government and the subjects.

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fuzzfactor|7 days ago

with 20/20 hindsight it would have been a whole lot better to throw a Constitutional Convention rather than have a civil war.

It had already intentionally been forgotten how well that worked the first time.

nathan_compton|7 days ago

Throw a constitutional conventions so that the slave owners could get their votes in (not the slaves, of course, though the owners should get to vote FOR them).

I understand that the civil war was about a lot of things, but the precipitating issue was slavery. Slavers should be obliterated by war if they aren't willing to give up their slaves unconditionally.

throwaway85825|7 days ago

But without a war you'd be expected to preserve the republic and then how could you concentrate power for yourself.