[LatencyKills]

They are the result of an infinite and ever expanding cosmos; absolutely no magic thinking or beliefs are required. I don't need to pretend that magic exists just because processes are complex.

[elemesmedve]

What I'm getting at is the difference between subjective experience ("chills") and any theory describing it. ("Qualia", "no amount of simulating water will make anything wet", etc.)

Although personally I prefer scientific theories to describe reality (they are still the best/most useful), our experience is never "based" on theories.

[LatencyKills]

Well then we agree. I'm just not a fan of using the term "spiritual" for a physical event. No need to ascribe "chills" in a hand-wavy manner.

[krzat]

IMO, if we had enough brain scans paired with descriptions of subjective experience, we could create a decent bridge between objective and subjective.