From where I sit nobody is questioning that the Israelis are supposed to be the good guys in this story. But the stories coming from the region are horrific! Is it true that it is the official policy of the IDF to shoot to kill children who throw stones at them?
Plus because Israel is making serious efforts to choke off all information from the region, I understand that it takes some time before a sober accounting of an incident like this reaches the outside world. To avoid the charged rhetoric I have waited. Yet the point blank executions of humanitarian workers is still shocking to me. Such reckless hate, it must destroy a person.
I got a lot of comments all saying the same thing so it's hard to know what to reply to. For posterity I'll expand on my meaning here. I live in the US. One of our biggest points of national pride here is our status as "back to back world war champs" and tied up in that pride is the creation of Israel in its modern form. As a country built around a military/industrial complex trust them enough to sell them all our most advanced weapons, which is good for business obviously. We think of Jewish people sharing our religious beliefs much more readily than we think the same of the followers of Islam.
Most importantly as a nation we're guilty of pretty much all the same crimes as they are. We built our country on land that we took from indigenous people. After Sept 11 we went collectively ballistic and did wanton violence. Hell I just recently read that we used artillery to strike a populated city in a grid pattern. Boom! Morals my fucking ass. And because the soldiers firing those howitzers fired all day every day, they all basically killed themselves even if they are still technically alive because we now understand that that much repeated shockwave trauma turns your brain to jelly, literally, until you see ghosts, do some homicides, or kill yourself. Mmmmmmhm yes sir, moral leaders of the free world right here.
> From where I sit nobody is questioning that the Israelis are supposed to be the good guys in this story.
That's a baffling claim.
Israelis emphatically not being "the good guys in this story" is a very mainstream (though not necessarily majority) view in every country in the world, possibly with the exception of Israel itself.
> the Israelis are supposed to be the good guys in this story.
By being good guys, you surely mean by being white guys colonizing a territory, exproprating previous land owners and bringing death and despair all around them. Sounds right, that is the history of white colonization.
Im questioning whether the Israelis are the good guys. Frankly I don’t know how you can look at their history of provocation and unbalanced retaliation and not begin to wonder if maybe they aren’t the good guys
Where I'm sitting, nobody would question that Israel is and has been the bad guy since 1948. Before that it was the Jewish Agency for Palestine/World Zionist Organisation and the British.
Israel has been an apartheid performing ethnic cleansing and a slow genocide during its whole existence.
conartist6|5 days ago
Plus because Israel is making serious efforts to choke off all information from the region, I understand that it takes some time before a sober accounting of an incident like this reaches the outside world. To avoid the charged rhetoric I have waited. Yet the point blank executions of humanitarian workers is still shocking to me. Such reckless hate, it must destroy a person.
conartist6|2 days ago
Most importantly as a nation we're guilty of pretty much all the same crimes as they are. We built our country on land that we took from indigenous people. After Sept 11 we went collectively ballistic and did wanton violence. Hell I just recently read that we used artillery to strike a populated city in a grid pattern. Boom! Morals my fucking ass. And because the soldiers firing those howitzers fired all day every day, they all basically killed themselves even if they are still technically alive because we now understand that that much repeated shockwave trauma turns your brain to jelly, literally, until you see ghosts, do some homicides, or kill yourself. Mmmmmmhm yes sir, moral leaders of the free world right here.
umanwizard|5 days ago
That's a baffling claim.
Israelis emphatically not being "the good guys in this story" is a very mainstream (though not necessarily majority) view in every country in the world, possibly with the exception of Israel itself.
prmoustache|5 days ago
By being good guys, you surely mean by being white guys colonizing a territory, exproprating previous land owners and bringing death and despair all around them. Sounds right, that is the history of white colonization.
superb_dev|5 days ago
tovej|5 days ago
Israel has been an apartheid performing ethnic cleansing and a slow genocide during its whole existence.
unknown|5 days ago
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