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throw10920 | 5 days ago

> That sounds more like a personal opinion, because I don’t think that data is particularly easy to objectively collect.

That sounds like a personal opinion?

Maybe do the bare minimum of research before spouting yours.

DOT says that only 5% of crashes are caused by low visibility during weather events.[1]

In 2023, the combined causes of alcohol, speeding, and distracted driving (all cognitive/attention issues) caused 67% of highway deaths. [2]

I was able to find these in 30 seconds. You did zero research to confirm whether your belief was correct before asserting that my claim was opinion. That's pathetic.

> Regardless it is irrelevant to the point.

And your point is therefore irrelevant to the discussion at hand, because the person you were replying to did not claim that vision had no safety impact, but that it had little safety impact:

> the issue is clearly attention not vision when it comes to humans. if we could actually process 100% of the visual information in our field of view, then accidents would probably go down a shit load.

...and, as we can clearly see, the issue is attention (and some bad decision making), not vision.

[1] https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/weather/roadimpact.htm

[2] https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/opinion/columns/sa...

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kube-system|5 days ago

None of those things you cited is “human vision or perception”

“Low visibility during weather events” is a small subset of this.

A ridiculously common example of the limitations of human vision is when people hit curbs parallel parking because of the inherent limitations of relying on depth perception to estimate the exact location of the vehicle when it cannot otherwise be directly seen. Go look in a parking lot and see how common curbed wheels are.

Also, NHTSA estimates that they don’t have any information for 60% of incidents, because they go unreported.

throw10920|5 days ago

> None of those things you cited is “human vision or perception”

> “Low visibility during weather events” is a small subset of this.

You're still refusing to do the most basic research or even read my comment:

> In 2023, the combined causes of alcohol, speeding, and distracted driving (all cognitive/attention issues) caused 67% of highway deaths.

Do the math. 100% - 67% is 33%. Even literally not opening Google, you can already deduce that the maximum fraction of fatalities caused by vision is 33%.

Given that you aren't interested in reading or researching and instead just want to push your opinion as fact, I think your claims can be safely discarded.

Edit: Because you're editing your comment because you realize that you're making an absolute fool of yourself:

> A ridiculously common example of the limitations of human vision is when people hit curbs parallel parking

A completely irrelevant distraction - this causes virtually zero accidents and even fewer fatalities, and you know it.

> Also, NHTSA estimates that they don’t have any information for 60% of incidents, because they go unreported.

Aha, so now you actually did research, and found that all of the available data supports my claims, so you're attempting to undermine it. Nice try. "Estimates" vs. actual numbers isn't really a contest.

Come back when you have actual data - until then, you're just continuing to undermine your own point with your ridiculous fallacies and misdirections - because if you actually had a defensible claim, you'd be able to instantly pull out supporting evidence.