[bigfishrunning]

People give away their freedoms all the time. Most people are walking around with facebook and tiktok tracking their every move. they don't care.

Some linux users aren't going to stop this sort of thing from happening. If Chase Bank wants to only allow MacOS and Windows 11 computers to access their website, the 1% of their userbase that uses something else isn't going to move the needle, and 99% of their users won't care (or even notice).

If this was going to happen, it would have already happened. The pieces are all there already.

[einr]

People give away their freedoms all the time. Most people are walking around with facebook and tiktok tracking their every move. they don't care.

This is absolutely true. I'm saying someone should care, because it does matter.

Some linux users aren't going to stop this sort of thing from happening. If Chase Bank wants to only allow MacOS and Windows 11 computers to access their website, the 1% of their userbase that uses something else isn't going to move the needle, and 99% of their users won't care (or even notice).

For some businesses, losing 1% of your customers is actually a lot of customers and a lot of money, and all else being equal they would prefer to not lose them.

If this was going to happen, it would have already happened. The pieces are all there already.

No, they really aren't. Again, it's perhaps technically feasible to flip the switch, but it doesn't make business sense yet.

How many people are doing online banking without running on a fully cryptographically verifiable/attestable OS? This means everyone not using a TPM, Secure Boot, etc. This means grandpa with an old Windows 10 machine or an old Mac that perhaps he should not still be using but he doesn't care, he just wants to pay his bills. I don't have numbers of course but I bet you this starts looking like a hell of a lot more than 1% of the userbase.

There are web APIs for this sort of thing in all major browsers but no one is really using them yet. But they exist for a reason, much like Windows 11 requires a TPM for a reason, and this tech will at some point be deployed for things like online banking. Of course it will.

[kayodehakeem]

Yes cancel

[bayindirh]

> If this was going to happen, it would have already happened. The pieces are all there already.

Same things were said for:

    - Removal of DRM from music: Happened.
    - Age verification in the internet: Happening.
    - Locked down personal devices: Happened.
    - Total surveillance in cities: Happened.
    - Not being able to buy but only rent: Happened in many digital formats.
    - Internet activation of software: Happened.
    - Tracking individual persons real-time: Happened.
    - Browser attestation: Google is trying hard.
    - Attestation for Internet Banking: Reality in S. Korea.

etc. etc.