[bayindirh]

> Even if someone makes a closed fork of some software down the line, the original will always be there and will still be just as free.

Like MinIO, Solaris, Elasticsearch, Hashicorp Suite and countless others. The versions before the license changes are healthy as a doornail. You're absolutely right.

Some of them are re-forked, some did not.

Also, sometimes that closed fork is the only viable option, making the hardware it's running on an expensive doornail. I also don't like that.

I remember using SDKs and software forked from open ones with version numbers like "1.8.7-really1.9.0-internal-thishardwareonly-special-3.2.5-unlocked" which only runs on a distro from 2006 when it's full moon on 29th of February, and the sum of digits of the date is divisible by 7 and 11 at the same time.

Can you patch this? I guess you can, but where's the source? I bet somebody deleted it by accident and it's not present anymore.

Permissive licenses don't take away the four freedoms, but add a fifth one. The ability to take the other four away. Without prior notice. This is what I don't like personally.

In short, I don't like doornails which are not actual doornails. Permissive licenses enable that freedom.