[kennywinker]

> It is the nature of how Hamas wages war in Gaza that is driving the assumptions here

When the bad guys use human shields, it’s on the “good guys” to somehow resist the “good guy” urge to blow the whole city up.

Hamas has killed something in the order of 800 idf soldiers during this conflict, if we exclude the ones killed on oct 7th. In that same time at least 75,000 palestinians have been killed - most of which were women and children. So, unless you’re saying this is a justified collective punishment for oct 7th, what on earth are you possibly referring to? Hamas isn’t “waging war” in any real sense.

[bawolff]

I think he's saying that this is par for the course for asymmetric conflicts with deeply rooted insurgent groups.

So if you are going to say the handling of this conflict has more to do with Israeli training/mindset/etc and is not related to the type of conflict, do you have other armies in mind that have fought similar conflicts and done better?

[jcranmer]

Battle of Fallujah? The war against ISIS in Iraq in the 2010s?

Before the most recent invasion of Gaza started, there was an interview with an Israeli general about the imminent invasion. And when the question came up about what lessons Israel was drawing from other urban conflicts like the Battle of Fallujah, the response was a very indignant we-don't-need-to-learn-anything. Small wonder that the IDF claims to have achieved unprecedentedly low civilian casualty ratios in their invasion of Gaza when in reality, they're commensurate with WW2 ratios and well above the urban assaults of the US's Iraq War.

[kennywinker]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_...

> the single deadliest conflict for journalists in all known conflicts in the history of the world, according to the Costs of War Project

Does that sound like “par for the course”?

By that measure, every other army in every other war prior has done better.

This “war” (genocide) is not normal.