[gerdesj]

I found it via gopher and wais - I can't remember which one did what, it was a fair few years ago.

I telnetted from my PC to a VAX, then to a X.25 PAD, then onto a Janet system, then to somewhere in the US and then to CERN. Eventually I'd get a menu with a link to the www. I'd then navigate the www with different keystrokes.

www was/is free form links to stuff instead of hierarchical menus. It was an evolution not a revolution and there is no need to invoke "chicken or egg".

[fsckboy]

so you're saying that gopher was the web. i've heard it said before. if you are scared to discuss a chicken and egg problem, you are exactly who should hear it.

[gerdesj]

Don't be daft. gopher and wais are just protocols and via telnet you got a menuing system in what we call a TUI nowadays.

I'm not sure which part of the chicken you are trying to push the eggs back into but please don't.