[Spooky23]

The engineers are a big part of the problem and drive regulations that featherbed themselves.

I got into a fight with my city over nonexistent crosswalks (the adhesive line strips wore off) near my home in an area where drivers have a hard time realizing where pedestrians cross due to a unique road setup.

You can’t just paint lines. The project ended up costing about $1.2M and required a traffic study, some stupid ADA assessment and accommodation that frankly any layperson could have figured out, and a complete streets assessment.

Basically, they sent out a few engineering technicians who make $20/hr, billed out 80 hours at $120 to count cars and people, and printed some boilerplate analysis (@$250/hr). The end result was they painted new crosswalks and added textured curb surfaces for ADA compliance, which allowed for the use of recovery act funds.

[GorbachevyChase]

I love a good rant, but you just have no idea what you’re talking about. First, real engineers (the kind with, education and experience requirements and personal liability for their work) have labor markups that are maybe 2 to 3 times raw rate. I don’t know if 6X margins are normal for people who collect a check to “maintain” a finished product. Second, any civil engineer will tell you that complete streets compliance for federal funding is a waste of everyone’s time. Engineers didn’t come up with that, congressmen elected by people like you came up with that. Third, the only reason they did all of that study is because the people you voted for wanted to use money that was tax farmed from me instead of your city funds. They could have just sent out a road crew. You could also cut the check yourself. Finally marked crosswalks alter pedestrian behavior, but not driver behavior. Marking crosswalks where there is high traffic and no controls like a signal with a dedicated pedestrian phase are actually more dangerous than no markings at all. I don’t expect you to know that, but that’s why you should hire people like me and not try to do this yourself.

[Spooky23]

In fairness, I should have said "engineering companies" vs. engineers. Like any scenario, the engineers themselves have to work in the scope they are allowed to. Those firms absolutely lobbied our state legislature for all sorts of things that generate make-work revenue for them. Most of the proof of work is farmed off to low dollar employees.

In this particular scenario, it's an usual configuration that can't be changed for a bunch of reasons. There are functional, adequate controls that were added about 15 years ago and were not altered by the project I'm thinking about. The crosswalks and lane markings are essential because drivers tend to stop at the wrong place.

While we may have been getting rope-a-doped, our neighborhood association was willing to contribute a pretty significant amount of money to have the city do the work. Our position was that it was becoming a dangerous intersection with significant pedestrian traffic. We were told it was illegal for the city dpw to do so without the study work.

[gamblor956]

A late addition to your comment: the reason for all the "wasteful" red tape was that the right demanded all the documentation to prove that the underlying activity itself was not wasteful...thus imposing extra costs on everything that resulted in is several magnitudes more waste.