[danpalmer]

Not surprising, Nvidia's margin was just a huge incentive for companies/countries to develop their own solutions. You don't have to be 100% as good if you're 80% cheaper. It's unsurprising that this is being driven by Chinese companies/labs who often have a lot less funding than the US, and the big tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Amazon) who will benefit the most from having their own compute.

I've never believed in Nvidia's moat, and it seems OpenAI's moat (research) has gone and surprisingly is no longer a priority for them.

[cosmic_cheese]

It seems like it’s really only China that’s pursuing the route of doing more with smaller/cheaper models, too, which also has a lot of potential to give the whole bubble a good shake.

To me it seems like the most obvious thing to do. More efficient models both make up for whatever you lost by using cheaper hardware and let you do more with the hardware you have than the competition can. By comparison the ever-growing-model strategy is a dead end.

[danpalmer]

I think you might be underestimating the use of small models in proprietary systems. The progress from China is very visible because it's very open, but the big tech companies are doing this too for cost savings.

[neom]

Feels a bit crazy saying this but I can imagine a weird future where we have some outlawed Chinese tokens situation under some national security guise. No clue how that would work but nothing surprises me anymore.

[samrus]

Shit is about to get alot more cyberpunk than we're used to, thats for sure

[hrmtst93837]

Nvidia's margins are a wake-up call for anyone reliant on their tech. As companies in places like China pursue self-sufficiency, the competitive landscape is shifting quickly, opening up space for innovation from unexpected sources.