[iamnothere]

Oh if you’re talking about O9A and the like, those groups are absolutely real and also terrifying. They are like a worse version of Kiwi Farms. KF are actually saints compared to them, as KF seems to have a vague goal of bullying bad people (in their view) off the internet rather than pushing them to terrorism.

My problem with the NVE label is the scope creep, some would like to apply that label to anyone who has a strong opinion and doesn’t fit in a neat box.

(I also don’t think “nihilist” is the right label for these groups. They have beliefs, they just believe in evil.)

[kstrauser]

I could see that. It would be awfully easy to paint any group you disagree with that way. “These people don’t believe in my obviously correct and true moral framework? Nihilists. They marched in a protest? Violent extremists.”

But the OG NVE groups? Freaking yikes.

[akramachamarei]

> KF seems to have a vague goal of bullying bad people (in their view) off the internet

Has KF changed since I last checked? They had an explicit policy of "don't touch the poo"; that is, users mock and ridicule on the forum, but don't try to disturb the lolcows, unless they're committing crimes. That's what I saw; I lurked occasionally in the past. There's been a lot of misinformation about KiwiFarms since it became a minor news story, round about that time of the big DDoS attacks.