[quesera]

I'm saying that personality-wise, Jobs would absolutely not have any tolerance whatsoever for Trumpism and its associated bozos.

Of course Apple would observe US law.

But the comment I responded to was calling Jobs a monster and likely pedophile. This is unhinged and ugly.

[frumplestlatz]

Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else here, can reasonably make such a claim.

[quesera]

Which claim? That Jobs was not a monster or pedophile? I'm on absolutely solid ground there.

Assuming you mean whether Jobs would intensely dislike Trump, then -- what can I say? You clearly don't know anything about the guy and that's fine. But if you doubt it, you're wrong.

We were far from personal confidantes, but I had several candid conversations with him over the decades. His personal politics were never in doubt, or far from the surface. He held a special revulsion for warmongering, dishonest, scapegoating, and authoritarian-leaning US candidates and administrations.

He was always at least a bit frustrated with US economic policy. He would abhor Trump for all of the above reasons and more.

[bigyabai]

I'd say that personality-wise, you probably don't know Jobs well enough to serve as a character witness. I'm not aware of any recorded interview where he explains how far he'd go to defend his business from unfair government treatment. He never saw a preview of the 2016 election or cast a ballot in the vote. He didn't live the interceding years leading up to the election, or form an opinion on the politics dominating the polls.

I think Jobs would have been blindsided by Trump just as much as we all were. On a personal level I can believe that he's offended just like Cook is. But neither Cook nor Jobs' conscience has really ever stopped them from making a profitable business decision that they can take credit for. Even if it means building a meaningless gold trophy or somesuch, to appease the ego in charge.

[quesera]

I agree that he'd have been blindsided like the rest of us. And I agree that he would have put Apple first. That was never a part of my point though.

Jobs had a very strong personality and very strong opinions. Also a good human moral compass, at least in his adulthood.

I admit that I am extrapolating from his thoughts on previous administrations, but I will confidently assert that there is no part of Jobs being that would approve of what's going on today. The man was not ThielMuskAndreesenEllisonEtc. (Someone might point out that he was friends with Larry, which is true, but he did not agree with Larry about some very important things. Jobs was capable of that kind of relationship.)

The degree of appeasement he would be performing on behalf of Apple is a fair subject to contemplate. Whether he'd be besties with Steven Miller and Jeffrey Epstein, is not a reasonable topic to speculate on. The answer is obvious to anyone who knew him at all.