[LogicFailsMe]

I don't have a lot of hope here. When most of the creme de la creme of the billionaire class capitulated to Trump at the beginning of his term, that set the tone for everything that followed IMO. It's astounding to me that so many are willing to see him trample on the Constitution and separation of powers when they'd scream like stuck pigs if any other party attempted it. And that's the way a lot of influential Americans like it I guess. Like I said, not a lot of hope. YMMV.

[saalweachter]

So the cornerstone of one of the most common types of scam, affinity fraud, as well as a cornerstone of salesmanship, is convincing an audience that you're just like them. You have the same likes and dislikes, the same hobbies, the same cultural references, the same beliefs and values and hopes and dreams.

And then you use that affinity to manipulate them, to get them to do what you want, to get them to give you money.

I think the tech worker / engineering / online crowd has really let themselves get duped.

Sure, maybe some tech billionaires did start out in a similar place as many of us.

But a lot of what they tell us as part of selling us their brand is just affinity fraud, telling us they're just like us with the same values of privacy and open source and some hippie notion of peace, love and understanding.

But it's just a trick, and they just want money, power and fame.

It's not so much as the billionaires capitulating, it's that they never were the people they pretended to be, and keeping up the act is no longer how they get what they want.

[throw__away7391]

I basically agree here, but I would add that the framing here can sometimes sometimes be better described as “extortion”. Politicians have tremendous power and influence over many industries, I’ve seen the inside of a few situations where the politicians framed themselves as “taking on big business” where behind closed doors they were 100% calling the shots and handing executives directives on what they could or could not say publicly. The companies had no choice but to play along. When I see a big company take exactly the same public position as the current regulatory regime or administration in power, I don’t assume that they necessarily have any choice in the matter.

[mingus88]

Benito Mussolini: 'Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.'

That is the reason why they would cry if the other party broke the rules to this degree. The other party is more aligned with regulations; taking power from corporations instead of giving it to them.

[newsoftheday]

> The other party is more aligned with regulations; taking power from corporations instead of giving it to them.

Enough regulation is good, not enough and too much are both bad. Neither party has the best plan when it comes to regulation, Republicans want too little (increasing corporate power), Democrats want too much (increasing government power).

[JumpCrisscross]

> Benito Mussolini: 'Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.'

He literally named it [1]!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fascist_Party

[LogicFailsMe]

More aligned? Sure. Pretty low bar though. There's a real opportunity in targeting abuses of technology like Flock cameras and surveillance capitalism but right now it's getting expressed as a luddite agenda against AI and datacenters and it won't go far because it throws the AI baby out with the datacenter bathwater IMO making them more into useful idiots than crusaders out to rein in corporate excess.

[dathinab]

> many are willing to see him trample

there is little surprising about it

Trump is pushing in the direction of an Oligarchie, billionaires would be the future oligarchs.

So even iff a billionaire is no-okay with this development, if they stick out they

- will lose their status/money iff Trump wins long term

- will make enemies with many other billionaires, but a core trend of billionaires is taking advantage of connections to other powerful people

- will be the prime target to make and example of

So there is a high risk for sticking out. At the same time "mostly passively tagging along" will at worst make them oligarchs. At the same time they are used to crossing ethical boundaries to maximize profits. *This is just another form of that.*

In general its pretty much non-viable to go from sub/barely millionaire to billionaire by keeping to law, moral and ethics.

And it's not a secret either that any extreme concentrations of power or money are fundamental thread of _any_ democratic state of law, the US is no exception. The US has been warned that their system is very prone to populist take over and their checks and balances are quite brittle since _decades_. (At least since end of WW2 when people when people analyzed how Hitler took over post-WW1 Germany and wondered if the US could suffer a similar fate. And instead of improving the robustness, the general response was "nonsense, this is the US". Then after 9/11 thinks got worse, warnings that this can lead to a disaster where also many, but actions where none. And then in recent decades the US pushed in favor of monopolies instead of a (actual, practical) free market(1) to project more power internationally, and things got even worse.

(1): Monopolies and a (actual, practical) free Market are fundamentally incompatible. It also is kinda obvious why once you put away decades of deregulation propaganda.

[LogicFailsMe]

Given there are only ~1135 billionaires in the USA right now, I'd say it's pretty much non-viable to go from sub/barely millionaire to billionaire period. But Taylor Swift doesn't seem to have murdered any kittens to get where she is nor did Rihanna so it can happen without totally selling out.

[5o1ecist]

> When most of the creme de la creme of the billionaire class

... eats cheese pizza and were connected to Jeffrey Epstein. That includes prime ministers, secret services, trump, democrats, republicans, royalty.

Has nothing to do with Trump specifically. He's just the "currently voted-in guy" doing what he's being told to do.

"Oh but shadow government/deep state is just a dumb conspiracy-theory" ... yeah, just like an island of cheese pizza eating billionaires.

[LogicFailsMe]

And who exactly (no not the Illuminati, the mole people, the Tartarian Empire or Atlantis etc) is giving him orders? Names please.

But you're right that the Epstein (guessing Mosad IMO) op had sure ensnared a lot of people who should have known better but I guess they're just like us in the sense that they only have enough blood to run one head at a time. To my knowledge though, Tim Cook, Bezos and Zuckerberg aren't in the Epstein files. So what's their excuse?

However, that still doesn't explain the secret space program to mine adrenochrome from missing kids renditioned to Mars and run from the basement of a Pizza restaurant. Because WTFF? https://www.space.com/37366-mars-slave-colony-alex-jones.htm...

But still, WHO is giving him orders? Or are you just assuming he must be following orders because the alternative that he's genuinely large and in charge is terrifying? That our republic basically mostly rolled over for him in less than one year perhaps even moreso?

[krapp]

Trump is mentioned over a million times in the Epstein files, he's deeply connected to Epstein. He is not "just the "currently voted-in guy" doing what he's being told to do."

>"Oh but shadow government/deep state is just a dumb conspiracy-theory" ... yeah, just like an island of cheese pizza eating billionaires.

This wasn't the conspiracy theory you guys believed in though. You were looking for a Satanic cabal of Democrat/leftist pedophiles and Trump was supposed to be the agent provocateur sent by God opposing the "deep state" and exposing the pedophiles. If anything, the Epstein files prove how utterly useless you lot were at actually identifying reality. The "cheese pizza" thing was never true. Pizzagate was never true. Trump was neck deep in all of it.

Being right in the sense that a broken clock is right twice a day is still being wrong.

[0]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/do-the-new-epstein-f...