The $68M number comes from a statement that says their General and Administrative expenses were up year over year and the growth was primarily driven by an in-person company event.
The Tweet extrapolates to assume that the entire difference was due to the event and calls it a "party"
Even if we assume 100% of the increase was due to the event, that's about $6800 per employee, or about a week or two of pay for developers.
This includes flights, lodging, and food for remote employees. That adds up fast.
>"General and administrative expenses were up 14% year over year on a GAAP basis, driven in part by an in-person company event. Excluding this expense, general and administrative expenses remained roughly flat year over year in the third quarter."
laying of 50% of your workforce is the obvious solution. next year the party will only be $34 million. repeat that 4 more times and you get down to just over $4 million.
Kinda how it worked for my last full time job. Full on all-hands which flew all the remote workers in, and my lead made 2 guesses: "Either we've been acquired or the IP has been cancelled". I guess the sad part is that an acquisition wouldn't guarantee I wouldn't be laid off anyway.
I sincerely hope the event branding played on calling it a "Block Party".
But anyway, as others have said, the tweet seems outrageous at first, but at $6800 per employee for a multi-day offsite, with hotels, travel, etc included, it doesn't seem excessive. I'm sure their salary for that month was significantly higher.
I think this is missing the forest for the trees. With 4000 fewer employees, they could have a $136M meetup party and still be ahead by hundreds of millions, assuming they can sustain or increase revenue.
That's the big bet software companies are making right now.
I got curious as well, because the craziest party poor me can imagine would clock in at maybe half that, including travel. All I could find:
> The three-day festival in downtown Oakland featured performances by Jay-Z, Anderson .Paak, T-Pain, and Soulja Boy, and brought 8,000 employees from around the globe.
So that'd make it 8.5k per person. Building stages, paying permits, hiring acts like these, I bet that's where it mostly went.
He said very specifically that the layoffs weren’t for financial reasons, and they are publicly traded company so you can just look at the reports. Anyone who thinks this wasn’t because of AI has a level of optimism I’ll never achieve.
One key piece of financial information in those reports is that that their revenue growth fell off a cliff when ZIRP ended (months before ChatGPT came out) and never recovered to even pre-Covid levels. There's no indication that their core business is unhealthy, and I'm not claiming to rule out that AI is related, but it makes sense that a company transitioning to "maintenance mode" might find itself wanting to be a lot smaller.
Cynicism can be optimism when the prevailing narrative is doom and gloom.
How is the competing narrative of cutting teams that were working on non-core or experimental projects falsified by any of this? Why wouldn't they put a brave face on that and chalk it up to AI? You can see how the stock market has rewarded it.
mikeevans|3 days ago
Was it necessary? Probably not. But I found the in-person time valuable, especially with teammates I’d never met face to face.
Source: I was there
darth_avocado|3 days ago
upmind|3 days ago
dang|3 days ago
croes|3 days ago
The crucial point is, was it an unnecessary expense?
ta9000|3 days ago
happyopossum|3 days ago
Calling an all-hands a party without any supporting evidence feels willfully negligent.
baq|3 days ago
A lot? Not a lot? Don’t know anymore.
darth_avocado|3 days ago
dang|3 days ago
Hamuko|3 days ago
Aurornis|3 days ago
The Tweet extrapolates to assume that the entire difference was due to the event and calls it a "party"
Even if we assume 100% of the increase was due to the event, that's about $6800 per employee, or about a week or two of pay for developers.
This includes flights, lodging, and food for remote employees. That adds up fast.
This is just Twitter ragebait.
Hamuko|3 days ago
npilk|3 days ago
Edit: never mind, the report clarifies that without the party expense G&A would have been flat YoY.
unknown|3 days ago
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rwmj|3 days ago
throw03172019|3 days ago
Side note: I have no idea what Block does and why they need 10,000 employees anyway.
aitforalll|3 days ago
johnnyanmac|3 days ago
andersmurphy|3 days ago
rwmj|3 days ago
ralferoo|3 days ago
But anyway, as others have said, the tweet seems outrageous at first, but at $6800 per employee for a multi-day offsite, with hotels, travel, etc included, it doesn't seem excessive. I'm sure their salary for that month was significantly higher.
danans|3 days ago
That's the big bet software companies are making right now.
ricardobeat|3 days ago
hmokiguess|3 days ago
ta9000|3 days ago
pavel_lishin|3 days ago
Data $150
Rent $800
Party $68,000,000
Utility $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my company is dying
anon7000|3 days ago
johnnyanmac|3 days ago
wood_spirit|3 days ago
Just put in my mind by the grift and corruption posts that are currently trending on HN front page right now.
atonse|3 days ago
"ok.. but was it a party for all 9,000 people?"
"maybe they had great caterers"
... then I did the math. It's $7.5k per employee.
Clearly I'm just not creative enough to know how to waste money like an SV company.
BonoboIO|3 days ago
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an0malous|3 days ago
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rsynnott|3 days ago
fhd2|3 days ago
> The three-day festival in downtown Oakland featured performances by Jay-Z, Anderson .Paak, T-Pain, and Soulja Boy, and brought 8,000 employees from around the globe.
So that'd make it 8.5k per person. Building stages, paying permits, hiring acts like these, I bet that's where it mostly went.
Aurornis|3 days ago
Running events is expensive when you have to fly your remote employees in and house them for multiple days.
CyberDildonics|3 days ago
mattmaroon|3 days ago
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jollyllama|3 days ago
How is the competing narrative of cutting teams that were working on non-core or experimental projects falsified by any of this? Why wouldn't they put a brave face on that and chalk it up to AI? You can see how the stock market has rewarded it.