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bentt | 2 days ago

Someone please explain how OpenAI is not Netscape 2026. They had first mover advantage but no network effect, no moat, and are racing to stay ahead of infinitely resourced incumbents.

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beernet|2 days ago

How are ~1B active users not "moat"? Might have to pull out the "Haters gonna hate" like it's 2007

monooso|2 days ago

Not GP, and not saying I agree with them, but it may be worth remembering that Netscape had 90% market share at one point. Active user count may not be the moat you imagine.

richardw|2 days ago

“In December, Gemini traffic increased by 28.4% month-over-month, while ChatGPT traffic decreased by 5.6%”

https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-chatgpt-vs-gemini-web...

"What's you number one piece of hiring advice?"

"Hire for slope, not Y-intercept. This is actually my number one piece of life advice."

-@sama, who I’m generally a big fan of. But the job is now harder

sp4cec0wb0y|2 days ago

How many of those users are paying? Where is the profit? How many users will be willing to use ChatGPT if they had to pay? Might have to pull out the questions like its 2026.

medi8r|2 days ago

How is it a moat? Myspace had 300M active users on an early internet.

If market share is a moat, IBM should still be the biggest tech company.

rvnx|2 days ago

But why are these users sticking to ChatGPT specifically ?

If it’s not the quality of their answers ?

robotresearcher|2 days ago

> How are ~1B active users not "moat"?

When they cost more to serve than they bring in, customer switching cost is vanishingly low, your competitor has revenue from other things and you don't.

kortilla|2 days ago

Users are not a moat because there is no network effect here.

elictronic|2 days ago

Are those users Locked in or are they treating the service like a commodity easily changed when the price goes up to stop hemorrhaging money.

Google worked as a free service because their backend was cheap. AI models lack that same benefit. The business model seems to be missing a step 2.

numbers|2 days ago

yeah, ~1B active users + when non-tech people think of AI, they think of "ChatGPT" not many of the competitors.

madeofpalk|2 days ago

A moat is something that can't be crossed. User count doesn't seem that insurmountable.

tsunamifury|2 days ago

700 million and declining with no clear story to levering either the attention economy or paying

CharlieDigital|2 days ago

How do you think this compares to Google and the AI search?

caminante|2 days ago

You're parroting misleading "monthly/weekly active user" numbers from OpenAI that include free accounts.

It's much more important to look at "paid." Only up to 50M (est.) are paid with a substantial chunk (10M) as enterprise/edu/promotional paid accounts.

trvz|2 days ago

99% of those 1B have negative value.

noosphr|1 day ago

How many users did Netscape have?

grosswait|2 days ago

I can’t. I think they are one viral TikTok away from the pendulum swinging to Chat Gemini, which for most people, the no cost version is perfectly adequate

bentt|1 day ago

Yep, I moved my day to day chat to Gemini and my code stuff to Cursor.

ReptileMan|2 days ago

They are in bed with Microsoft not against them. And Nadela is not the sharpest knife in the drawer unlike Bill Gates.

bentt|15 hours ago

In this scenario, Google is the incumbent. Microsoft is like… IBM circa 1996.

rwmj|2 days ago

Netscape didn't have ridiculously high overheads?

NewEntryHN|2 days ago

Netscape had 20 millions active users at its peak, out of 6 billions humans.

ChatGPT has 800 millions monthly active users currently, out of 8 billions humans.

ohyoutravel|2 days ago

Would love to see the numbers on whether there are more people “online” now than when Netscape was at its peak.

m3kw9|2 days ago

Ok where is the Microsoft explorer of this “Netscape”

bentt|1 day ago

Gemini is a pretty spot on comparison. Google is putting in front of users at every opportunity. And Gemini is a way better product than IE ever was.