[ticulatedspline]

that creepy feeling of "being watched" has mostly kept me from taking advantage of any SOTA models, i only dabble in a few local ones.

The level of detail does not seem surprising. they're both charged with maintaining a facade of privacy while eliminating any and all miss-use. Certainly they heavily analyze basically everything given to them.

And generally as a society we've been ok with basically zero privacy as long as the data we send stays inside the company we sent it too. Google reads all your emails? Sure thing, read away, just don't send them to the popo. Apple knows when you're ovulating? no problem, just don't tell Amazon. etc

[heavyset_go]

Same here. My assumption is that anything sent to a hosted model is public information, it will be trained on and it will be collated with your identity. And even if public models have guardrails that prevent that information from being regurgitated as slop, every CEO/owner/investor/government/etc will all have access to the uncensored models that include everything.

If you've ever ran a SaaS business, you know this and you know you can have "God Mode" access to everything, even if you swear up and down that you don't/won't.

The owners of these models aren't your friends, they see you as objects. They want to take as much value as they possibly can from you and will starve you if/when the option appears. That includes selling and sharing whatever data they have on you to the highest bidders, and some of those bidders want scapegoats to parade around as domestic terrorists.

The fact that companies are willing to send their IP and business processes to entities that can easily launder it and out compete them is mind-boggling, as well.

[edg5000]

If you own a store and people walk in, you observe this and take a mental note. You know who visits the store. If you sell tokens, you know who buys and what people buy. It's just that now, the metadata (what I buy, when I buy, what I look like) and my intrinsics (my data) are one. I send tokens, get tokens back. If there was a way to round-robin somehow across vendors to control who gets what, I'd do it.

When contracting out manufacturing, it's common sense to spread across manufacturers, so no single manufacturer has everything. They may have half a shell. Or an peripheral module without the core. Or a core without anything around it.

[msh]

The signal founder is doing private llm’s at confer.to

[asymmetric]

Have you tried it? I’ve been meaning to.

[amelius]

I use my local models to generate input for the SOTA models, so there is enough noise that the companies don't know what is real or not :)

[comboy]

Get list of your inputs mixed with generated ones and ask some model to tell you which ones are yours.

Other than that the approach in general is weak, most people likely generate lots of noise themselves. It's just about that one time you asked about X.