[Gigachad]

That’s the crazy thing. This whole dispute was over Anthropic saying no to fully automated kill bots. They only required there be a human in the loop to press the button.

[fluidcruft]

Anthropic didn't even say "no", it was more of a "not yet, let's work on this".

I really wonder what Palantir's role in all this is because domestic surveillance sounds exactly like Palantir and whatever happened during the Maduro raid led to Anthropic asking Palantir questions which the news reports is the snowball that escalated to this.

[spuz]

Could you expand on that Anthropic asking Palantir connection to this?

[matheusmoreira]

They also said no to fully automated AI domestic surveillance. I suppose non-US citizens like me are screwed but that's at least some small comfort for the natives. FVEY will just spy on each other and share but at least someone tried.

[cperciva]

There were two red lines, as I understand it -- first, automated kill bots, and second, mass surveillance.

[mediaman]

Mass domestic surveillance of American citizens (they were OK with surveillance of other countries).

[goatlover]

Neither of those red lines should be controversial. What American citizen thinks terminators and Big Brother are desirable?

[ted_dunning]

No. There was only one red line.

Bend over and take or not.

[Gigachad]

I guess the problem for Trump is if he orders the army to gun down protesters, there’s a good chance they will refuse to do it. While a bot can just be prompted to go ahead.

[IAmGraydon]

I think it’s far more likely this is about the other sticking point- using it to spy on US citizens.

[next_xibalba]

If we were able to give the Ukrainians fully automated kill bots, and those kill bots enabled Ukraine to swiftly expel the Russians from their territories, would that not be a good thing? Or would you rather the meat grinder continue to destroy Ukraine's young men to satisfy some moral purity threshold?

If we could give Taiwan killbots that would ensure China could never invade, or at least could never occupy Taiwan, would that be good or bad? I have a feeling I know what the Taiwanese would say.

While we're at it, should we also strip out all the machine learning/AI driven targeting systems from weapons? We might feel good about it, but I would bet my life savings that our future adversaries will not do the same.

[eckelhesten]

You seem to see everything from a binary perspective. China bad, Taiwan good. Russia bad, Ukraine good.

The world is more nuanced than that.

But to answer your question. No we should not give anyone automatic kill bots. Automatic kill bots shouldn’t even be a thing.

[array_key_first]

Rephrasing your "inquiry" to highlight how short-sighted this is:

If giving the ukranians nuclear warheads could help them default Russia, then isn't that good? Wouldn't using nuclear warheads to erradicate Russia end the war almost immediately?

Like, why are we even bothering with automated killing robots? That's stupid. We already have nukes, and they're the ultimate weapon, so just do that.

Do you not see how this greedy line of logic could easily lead to the destruction of not just the US, but the entire human race?

This is LITERALLY the plot line of Terminator. Literally. "Hey guys let's build skynet, isn't that a good idea??"

Like... do you not hear yourself? What is not clicking here?

[kevinh]

The thing about building fulling automated kill bots is then you've built fully automated kill bots.

[dryarzeg]

Ukrainian young (24 y.o.) man here. Living and working in police 30 kilometres away from the actual frontline.

No, thanks, we don't need those "fully automated kill bots". There's absolutely no guarantee that they wouldn't kill the operator (I mean, the one who directs them) or human ally.

We're pretty much fine with drone technology we have.

But for me personally, that's not the most important point. What is more important - and what almost no one in the Western countries seems to realise (no offence, but many of westerners seem to be kind of binary-minded: it's either 0xFFFFFF or 0x000000, no middle ground at all) - is that on the Russian side, soldiers are not "fully automated kill bots" either. Sure, there's a lot of... let's say - war criminals. Yes, for sure. But en masse they are the same young men that you can see on the Ukrainian side. Moreover, many people in Ukraine have relatives in Russia, and there already were the cases where two siblings were in different armies, literally fighting with each other. So in my opinion, "fully automated kill bots" are not an option here. At least unless you deploy them in Moscow and St. Peterburg to neutralize all of the Russian elites, military commandment and other decision-making persons of the current regime.