[NickAndresen]

"They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as essential to national security." from Dario's statement (https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war)

[DivingForGold]

Supply chain risk ? Seems the risk here is the US Gov't wanting free reign to do whatever they want - - when they want.

Look no further than the famous expose by Mark Klein, the former AT&T technician and whistleblower who exposed the NSA's mass surveillance program in 2006, revealing the existence of "Room 641A" in San Francisco. He discovered that AT&T was using a "splitter" to copy and divert internet traffic to the NSA, proving the government was monitoring massive amounts of domestic communication.

[chrisandchris]

And I think on big difference between <2006 and now is that back then nobody knew about it - now they just request it in public.

[josh2600]

I served on the eboard of CWA local 9410 when all of that was going down.

Words cannot describe how crazy things were at that time.

I feel like someone will make a movie about it someday.

[cyanydeez]

The risk is a business that doesn't lick the boot might speak truth to power.

[outside2344]

The real question we should be asking is what others HAVE agreed to. Has OpenAI just agreed to let the government go crazy with their models?

[inaros]

If you read Anthropic statement carefully, they explicitly confirm they are already working with the U.S. government on a range of military and national security use cases, many including areas that clearly relate to real world lethal operations.

They are only refusing two narrow, but important categories. Framing this as blanket "refusal to support the DoD" feels like an angry, reactive own goal rather than a careful reading of what they actually said.

So far the march toward dictatorship keep being detoured by sheer incompetence. In any case, is hard to seize power when you can’t organize a group chat...

[KumaBear]

Elon has agreed to all demands and can’t wait for gigahitler to take the reigns. I swear there is no room for good guys in this is there.

[rectang]

> Altman says OpenAI agrees with Anthropic’s red lines in Pentagon dispute

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5758898-altman-backs-a...

[direwolf20]

Yes. All companies that deal with the government have agreed to let the government do whatever it wants within the bounds of whatever it is those companies do.

[baxtr]

Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about?

Anyone can use Claude afaik?

[mcintyre1994]

Probably just gonna go all in on MechaHitler!

[Terr_]

It's scary to me that there are a significant voting-bloc out there who don't see this kind of zero-integrity (and self-serving) behavior as disqualifying in anyone wielding authority.

Worse, they act like it's virtuous.

[johnbarron]

Is this the same Administration that reversed a previous block, and allowed NVIDIA to sell H200 to China?

[stdgy]

Well, you see, that's completely different. Nvidia agreed to give them money!

[onlyrealcuzzo]

Good thing this administration will be a lame duck in 8 months, and they know it.

[ctoth]

The Purpose of a System is WHAT IT DOES!

[cataphract]

Unconstitutionally, no less:

"No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.".

[cco]

I would not be surprised if an outcome of this may be a 10% government stake (maybe golden share owned by Trump) in Anthropic.

[irthomasthomas]

That's a shame. They might at least continue to work together to spy on foreigners. I don't understand the fuss anyway, what do claude models do that gpt and gemini can't?

[calgoo]

As a foreigner, i see this as a great thing! I was about to cancel my Claude sub, but now i might hold on to it for a little and see how this plays out.

[jonplackett]

For these people, it is just about control.

[niobe]

it's more the way they do them.. you've used them right?

[tamimio]

It feels like when you are negotiating a contract for job with a toxic employer who you still don’t know they are toxic yet.

[SilverElfin]

Trump wrote a long rant on Truth Social and ordered ALL federal agencies to stop using Anthropic. Not just the department of defense. This is straight up authoritarian.

Meanwhile, irrelevant "AI Czar" David Sacks, member of the PayPal mafia alongside known Epstein affiliates Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, is furiously retweeting all the posts from Trump, Hegseth, and other accounts. He is such a coward and anti American:

https://xcancel.com/davidsacks

[gullibriem]

Circus-grade contortionism here.

[seliopou]

I don’t see a contradiction here. If control is out of the hands of decision makers, that’s a supply chain risk . Were it not for that, the service is seen as critical to national security.

I dunno, safeguard seems like a weasel word here. It’s just reserving control to one party over another. It’s understandable why the DoD(W) wouldn’t like that.

[bubblewand]

I'm pretty sure you (and others) are trying to apply some kind of guess at the "supply chain risk" designation, but it means something specific.

Here's the term defined in an official context:

https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars/252.239-7018-supply-chain-....