[Robdel12]

Raise your hand if you actually read it or if you read the title and replied? I see a lot of comments that sure seem like they didn’t read it.

> Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agreement.

IF this is true, it SHOULD be verifiable. So, we wait? I mean, I am a dummy, but that language doesn’t seem too washy too me? Either it’s a bold face lie and OpenAI burns because of it or it’s true and the Trump admin is going after the “left” AI company. Or whatever. My point is, someone smarter than me/us is going to fact check Sam’s claim.

[anon-3988]

> Either it’s a bold face lie and OpenAI burns because of it

Do you really still genuinely believe in this? This is the same person that said ads is going to be the last resort, and yet we are getting ads. I just don't understand how people can trust a single word coming out of folks like Sam, Musk, Trump or whoever rich asshole.

I listen to these people talk and they literally do not have souls. They will say whatever it is they need to get ahead. I watched a couple of Sam speeches and videos, the man does not have anything interesting to say.

[anigbrowl]

1-800-Come-on-now

DoW: WOKE Antropic tried to impose their 'values' on us? Friendship ended!! National security risk!

OpenAI: We just signed a deal that's strong on values, the exact same ones as Anthropic, no way we would mislead anyone about this

You: Seems legit

[SpicyLemonZest]

The problem is that many of those would-be fact checkers have massive incentives to lie about it. So regardless of whether it is true, you're going to see a number of detailed and well-researched pieces over the weekend arguing that Altman is right and this whole thing is Anthropic's fault. The set of people who could cause OpenAI to burn and the set of people who have millions of dollars riding on its success substantially overlap; it may not take a particularly good argument to convince them.

[Robdel12]

Yeah, you’re right. I’m overly hopeful and naïve

Edit: as soon as I hit submit I realized this might sound condescending, but I actually mean this lol

[recursivecaveat]

I mean, this is a company literally named "Open"AI, nominally a non-profit or whatever. I think they will survive quietly opening an endpoint for their customer. Unlikely anyone is under enough illusions about Sama's moral character to be scandalized by deception.

[jrflowers]

I like the idea of seeing someone post “I dislike and distrust Sam Altman” and thinking “They must be saying that because they haven’t read the things that he writes”

[operator_nil]

Do you know who isn't a dummy? Sam. The crucial part of that statement is that the DoD will use OpenAI systems "lawfully and responsibly," which I don't doubt is written somewhere in their contract. However, those terms are so open-ended that it's impossible for OpenAI to enforce. Sam could have clarified in his tweet that they explicitly prohibited the use of their technology for mass surveillance and autonomous killings, but he deliberately chose not to and to simply say, "We told them not to do bad things." which smells like bullshit

[Robdel12]

I guess I’m hanging on what

> reflects them in law

Means exactly. What law and what does it say?

I’m also sure he quietly bent the knee, but I want to know what “law and policy” it’s being reflected in to know.

[ImPostingOnHN]

"The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agreement" is incredibly wishy washy.

What does it even mean to reflect those principles in law? Did they pass a law that says they can't do it? Which one?

What does it mean to "put them into our agreement"? Did they just have a section in the appendix listing various principles, or is there agreement from both parties to not violate those principles? What system does the contract specify for verification of compliance?