[torlok]

The ICE killings, deportations of US citizens, and the general anti-US sentiments around the world show that lesser evil exists, and that not voting can have consequences.

It's a shame that it took all this for the Democrats to even begin the dialog about Israeli money in politics, and perhaps they may even realize that nobody wants to vote for pro-war neoliberals.

[nielsbot]

The Dem establishment, informed by consultants, loves to go after "gettable" Republicans. Their theory is "Any 'rational' left-leaning voter will have no choice but to vote Dem!" But what they never seem to consider is that moving to the right can indeed disgust some portion of the base who instead will refuse to turn out.

[vintermann]

"Lesser evil exists?" What if the "lesser evil" is just the good cop in a barely concealed good cop/bad cop routine?

It's not a bold statements that many senior democrats are thrilled that Trump is attacking Iran. This time, he's doing something they would have liked to but couldn't get away with.

Yes, voting matters, but organizing matters more. Until there's people who don't (secretly or openly) cheer for policies driving the world towards a cliff, voting matters little.

And on no account should you listen to the paid political operatives suggesting that the Democratic party's previous last minute offer would have gone significantly better.

[torlok]

I'm quite sure I was being clear when I called Democrats "pro-war neoliberals". Still, voting Democrat would have saved all those lives taken by the Trump administration up until this point.

[throwawa1]

All of the Democrats stood up and clapped when Trump talked about war with Iran. Did you miss that?

Two sides of the same coin: Republicans bomb 3rd world countries, and the Democrats gain slave labor from 3rd world countries refugees.

[torlok]

I did not miss that. That's exactly my point. Its two sides of the same coin on this issue; that's why Democrat voters stayed home. Doesn't change the fact that there would be a whole lot less heinous events in and outside the US if MAGA wasn't in power.