[_heimdall]

Obama is the one outlier here. As far as I'm aware, all other presidents since '79 saw this as inevitable if not desirable.

[JumpCrisscross]

> all other presidents since '79 saw this as inevitable if not desirable

I think it's helpful to distinguish Cold War-era Presidents from the others, but that obviously limits the sample.

[_heimdall]

That only cuts Carter and Reagan, and I have a hard time ignoring Carter given all the Iran issues he had to deal with.

[spwa4]

Islamic lunatic ayatollahs, who've shown a willingness to massacre their own people, with nukes?

Can't imagine why that would be a bad thing ...

I don't much understand that about this thread. Yes Trump bad. Yes, US should not get into another war (although in here, arguably this may avoid war, and yes, that's been said before)

But when it comes to the ayatollahs at the business end of the missiles: defending them? I mean, I understand socialists brought them to power, but still: for these particular ayatollahs, having their insides spread over a few football fields ... can't happen to a more deserving bunch.

[srean]

To the contrary the Ayatollah has (now had) a formal and public fatwa against nuclear weapons.

[LtWorf]

AFAIK the only country that dropped a nuke on their own soil (that luckily didn't explode) is the USA.

[vcryan]

If Iran is unhappy with their government, they can deal with it. It is not a US problem in the slightest. Going to war with another country puts Americans at risk.