[Intermernet]

"Nobody serious disputes that Gazan civilians are suffering enormously."

This is blatantly untrue. There are people who are saying there's no such thing as a "Gazan civilian".

[dijit]

Come off it, that's a technicality and everyone knows the meaning.

An uncharitable person would easily debunk this by making claims about the idea that 'because of israel they can't have a state to be civilian of' and then the topic gets super muddy because that's technically not true and we go around and around and around.

[Intermernet]

The Israeli government has been dehumanising the Gazan population in rhetoric for decades. Claiming that no one would deny their suffering is straight up false. It's not a technicality, it's a deliberate technique.

It's one of the things that could be stopped to prevent us going "around and around and around."