[johanvts]

Ukraine is a democracy with a legitimate leadership that was not planning to acquire nukes and has no history of planning to remove Russia from the map. To suggest that this attack on Iran is the same as the Russian invasion of Ukraine is very misguided.

[watwut]

Ukraine got rid of nukes and it was massive collosal mistake. In alternative universe where they win and get territory back and get economy on track, they would be 100% warranted to get the nukes.

My point is, Ukraine war and the way it evolved shows that not having nukes is a bad position.

[epolanski]

> Ukraine got rid of nukes and it was massive collosal mistake.

They couldn't operate them, all electronics were in Moscow anyway, nor afford to maintain them or even guard them.

At the very same time Ukraine's corrupted military sold out on the black market tens of billions of weaponry.

In your alternate universe, bad actors acquire and reverse engineer those nuclear weapons resulting in a world that's much more dangerous.

[reliabilityguy]

> My point is, Ukraine war and the way it evolved shows that not having nukes is a bad position.

Israel (allegedly? idk) has nukes. Did it stop October 7th? Did it stop Iran from firing ballistic missiles?

The war of today is not an open war (the war in Ukraine did not start on February 24 2022, but in 2014) where nuclear deterrence matters. Nuke will never help if the war is waged through proxies.

[dtech]

Ukraine never had operational control of the missiles in its territory

[Saline9515]

By now the nukes would have been useless. You need to have a continuous ballistic and nuclear program to manufacture new nukes and missiles as the old ones become stale.

[FireBeyond]

Iran has been "a week away" from acquiring nukes since Netanyahu first claimed it in the 90s.

Not six months ago, Trump launched a strike that "completely obliterated" Iran's ability to obtain nukes. And then, either because he has the memory of a goldfish, or thinks that we do (both are somewhat true), he pulled out "a week away", again, at the SOTU. "We must attack Iran to destroy what I told you we destroyed last year."

Iran may be planning to do so. But this is just a boogeyman being used (again) by Israel and the US.

[sosomoxie]

It's not the same as all, whatever you think of the Ukraine, it used to be part of the Soviet Union. Russia and the Ukraine fighting is a "normal" war. The US has absolutely no business attacking Iran. It's entirely unprovoked and at the behest of the terrorist "nation" of Israel, which also should have nothing to do with the US.

[kyboren]

> The US has absolutely no business attacking Iran.

Iran's theocratic regime just murdered tens of thousands of protestors, regularly organizes chants of "Death to America", calls the US "The Great Satan", sponsors terror organizations all around the region, has (through their Houthi proxies) cut off critical sea lanes in one of the most strategic areas, is very close to developing nuclear weapons (with enough HEU already to build maybe a dozen bombs), has extensive ballistic missile magazines and expertise, and is working on ICBMs explicitly to reach the US homeland.

But oh yeah, this is totally unprovoked and the US has no business attacking Iran. Right.

[m_ke]

You forgot the genocide they have going and the current attempt to starve Cuba into submission with their little "blockade"