[scoofy]

It is difficult to instigate regime change for democratically elected governments.

Iran has an unelected supreme leader.

Israel has a large portion of its population completely disenfranchised.

The US has a generally democratically elected government.

If one of these governments is going to fall during military instabilities, it would most likely be Iran. The US will have significant regime change in November if polling holds.

[shykes]

> Israel has a large portion of its population completely disenfranchised.

Care to elaborate? As far as I know, this is false. All Israeli citizens 18 or older can vote; there are no voting restrictions based on race, religion, gender or property; prisoners can vote (unlike in many US states for example); permanent residents who are not citizens cannot vote in national elections but may vote in municipal elections (not the case in the US). National turnout ranges between 65% and 75%.

Minorities are well represented: Arab and Druze citizens vote and have representation in the Knesset.

I struggle to find any dimension in which your statement is correct.

[scoofy]

Very obviously, I’m referring to the Palestinians in the “Palestinian Territories” being de facto governed by Israel and are not allowed to vote in Israeli elections.

[skywhopper]

Yes, but how many adults in land controlled by Israel are Israeli citizens?

[robin_reala]

The US is at “flawed democracy” in the Economist Democracy Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

[edgyquant]

The US is a republic with some democratic institutions, but the economists index isn’t some platonic indicator that gets to define who’s a good government and who isn’t. Several of its higher ranking countries have outright banned extremely popular political parties in recent years.

[nebula8804]

So is France.

[groundzeros2015]

democracy is a lower form of government in the ancient world

[refurb]

I wouldn’t assume some any index from a magazine is the end all authority on what a nation state is.

I mean I can start my own magazine and create my own index however I want. Doesn’t mean it’s right.

[austin-cheney]

The US and Israel are elected governments, but that should certainly not presuppose democratic. The Roman Republic was, for example, fully elected but simultaneously it was intentionally autocratic to the elite. That is why it fell to a dictatorship which then increased the liberty and standards of the people.

Democracy is the directness by which social participation equates to governance. The US is a federal republic with only two parties each bound by the same hostile funding system that benefits political contributions over the vote. That is far from democratic.

[scoofy]

Democracy and Republic both mean “normal people are in charge of government” and are in opposition to monarchy. The distinction you are referring to was a contrived interpretation in the federalist papers to make a point.

[pedalpete]

For democratically elected governments, doesn't regime change occur when any sitting politician loses the next election to their oponent?

In my thinking regime change doesn't only refer to the complete collapse of the political system, just change in direction of the leaders.

[scoofy]

If the legislature changes party, that party —-“the regime” if we can use that term—- will be unseated from power.

[chinathrow]

You still believe the US regimes will allow elections as the they know it?

[kgwxd]

> if polling holds.

And The Constitution.

[petre]

> Iran has an unelected supreme leader

Had. Israel probably has a list with the next 3 or 4 in line to replace Khamenei and is currently working towards eliminating them, like they did with the Hezbollah.

Regime change could also be triggered through impeachment or PM losing support and government coalition getting dissolved in the case of Israel.

[throw0101c]

> It is difficult to instigate regime change for democratically elected governments.

Just ask the folks who tried on January 6.

> The US will have significant regime change in November if polling holds.

Assuming elections are held fairly. "Trump, seeking executive power over elections, is urged to declare emergency":

* https://archive.is/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2...

[diordiderot]

> Israel has a large portion of its population completely disenfranchised.

Does it?

[scoofy]

The Israeli government has de facto control of large sections of the Palestinian Territories. The people in those territories, however cannot participate in the elections of that government.

The distinction being de jure and de facto control is something worth debating, but it’s trivially true that Israel controls large swaths of territory where people are not eligible to participate in that government.

[runako]

Consider the meanings of the following words:

- sovereignty

- border

- population

In that order, in the context of that region. Then consider their meanings in the context of (say) Canada. Consider how conventional applications of those terms are different for the two.