[xenospn]

Are there any non-Chinese open models that offer comparable performance?

[MarsIronPI]

I think you could look into Minstral. There's also GPT-OSS but I'm not sure how well it stacks up.

What's your problem with Chinese LLMs?

[xenospn]

Nothing personally - Our customers send us highly sensitive financial documents to process. Using a foreign model to process their data (or even just for local testing) will most likely result in a u-turn.

[icase]

it’s not obvious to you why someone would want to avoid models created by our enemies?

[regularfry]

It's not only "non-Chinese" to think about here. There's nobody really touching Qwen in the single-GPU size class and there hasn't been for a couple of generations.

[vagrantJin]

Why would anyone care if its Chinese? No one uses ChatGPT because its from the US.

[culi]

All the western ones are closed while all the Chinese ones are open. The only exception is the European Mistral but performance of that model is not very satisfactory. Hopefully they make some improvements soon

[shell0x]

What's the problem with Chinese models? The models are already open which makes them more trustworthy than the American closed models.

[chr15m]

They are trained to respond to certain topics in a way that does not align with real world evidence. Pretty much the opposite of what you want in such a tool.

This is trivial to test and verify yourself. Just pick any topic you think has a chance of being censored. You can do the same on American models and compare results.