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4ndrewl | 1 day ago

Maybe speak to some Libyans. Or Iraqis. Or Syrians?

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reliabilityguy|1 day ago

Libya is not a real country in a historical sense. It’s a bunch of tribes, Kadaffi was from one of the tribes that subjugated others. In Iraq it was a Sunni minority that rules over Shiite majority, and other minorities like the Kurds. In Syria one minority (alawiites) rules over others by force.

Also, these countries were not formed by themselves, but rather through deals with France and/or Britain.

Iran, while also diverse, has a thousands of years long history. Persians still see themselves as continuation of Persian peoples from the empire times, etc.

So, it is not very correct to compare it one to one.

someotherperson|1 day ago

Iraqis also see themselves as a continuation of Mesopotamian people, that was quite literally what Iraqi Baathist thought was centered around and used as the successful unification strategy. That's quite literally the justification the Baathists used to try 'reclaim' both Khuzestan and Kuwait. You quite literally couldn't be more wrong in how you categorize Baathist Iraq.

Iran has a much worse relationship with its minorities, where if you are of the wrong faith then you literally face state-sanctioned laws preventing you studying or working. In fact, things in Iraq became much worse for minorities after the overthrowal due to the adoption of Iranian cultural practices like Abrahamic elitism.

The cherry on top of all of this is that you probably don't realize that Persians in Iran only make up 60% of the country. You have Iranians who wholly reject Persian ancestry (Azeris, Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds...) but you don't even account for them, despite Iran having, what, three? entirely separate ethnic-based separatist insurgencies active across the country LOL

Almondsetat|1 day ago

Is this a way to avoid thinking about the conundrum?

4ndrewl|1 day ago

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

UltraSane|1 day ago

Short term pain for long term gain.

bambax|1 day ago

Short term pain for long term more pain.