[siliconc0w]

The problem with "Any Lawful Use" is that the DoD can essentially make that up. They can have an attorney draft a memo and put it in a drawer. The memo can say pretty much anything is legal - there is no judicial or external review outside the executive. If they are caught doing $illegal_thing, they then just need to point the memo. And we've seen this happen numerous times.

[nickysielicki]

Did you guys really think that the jurisprudential issues that became endemic after 9/11 suddenly disappeared because we discovered LLMs?

Let’s put pressure on our government to fix the FISA issues. Let’s reign in the executive branch. But let’s do it through voting. Let’s not give up on our system of government because we have new shiny technology.

You were naive if you thought developing new technologies was the solution to our government problems. You’re wrong to support anyone leveraging their control over new technology as a potential solution or weapon of the weak against those governmental issues.

That is not how you effect change in a democracy.

[roughly]

And, to be clear, the way you affect change in democracy is coalition building, listening to others, supporting your allies in their aims, and in turn having them support you, even when you don’t fully agree or understand. There’s no magic wand, none of us are right, there’s no big picture, just a bunch of people working together.

[_heimdall]

While I agree that we should be voting in people who will respect the power and authority they're given, I can't imagine we will vote away all these problems.

We would need to vote in a president and 60%+ into congress that is willing to throw away their own power and authority. I just don't see that happening, especially not in a political system so corrupted already.

[Nevermark]

> But let’s do it through voting.

You don't get a successful vote without a tremendous amount of coordination and activism preceding it.

Laws that constrain government from bad things are very difficult things to get the government to pass.

In the meantime, using completely legal civil power to push back on legally allowed harms seems beyond sensible.

But if you just vote and it works without all that, please let us know how you did it!

[pjc50]

Take a step back: Americans voted for this. They want unaccountable police and courts for the Dirty Harry legal system: maximum indiscriminate violence against those designated as criminals.

[rectang]

You are right that this happens in practice (e.g. John Yoo torture memo). However, it is not how the system was intended to function, nor how it ought to function. I don’t want to lose sight of that.

[scottyah]

We shouldn't be stacking up so many incentives for it to happen though.

[avaer]

This is all happening in secret. That don't need any memo.

In the unlikely case anyone finds out, those acting in the interests of the administration will have "absolute immunity", as they are "great American Patriots".

That's what "all lawful use" means.

[reckless]

It's lawful use with specific laws called out though? New laws won't supercede what is agreed in the contract at the time of signing.

[brown9-2]

not to mention that the government is already bound against using things it buys for unlawful uses. Its a totally redundant clause in a contract that OpenAI is touting to confuse people.

[wahnfrieden]

It's the DoW now, not DoD

[user3939382]

Or best case by the time it’s found out it’s years later, theres a “committee” who releases a big report everyone shrugs their shoulders and moves on. It’s a playbook.

[_heimdall]

Exactly, and its easy to hide behind things like the Patriot Act if challenged legally.

Its interesting to see the parties flip in real time. The Democrats seem to be realizing why a small federal government is so important, a fact that for quite a few years their were on the other side of.

[robmccoll]

I think the problem is exactly the opposite. The federal government has the total combined power and scale that it does because we are a massive and complex modern nation. That's inevitable. The problem that we are seeing is that the reigns to that power can be held by too few people it turns out. The checks and balances have ceased to exist. No one is held accountable and people are allowed to be above the law.

[catlifeonmars]

I don’t see the connection to a small federal government here. Mind connecting the dots?