[n8cpdx]

I tried switching to graphene after frustration with the latest direction of iOS.

Yes I could use Firefox and ublock to get around YouTube ads, but it actually worked worse than using Orion browser on iOS to do the equivalent. The Pixel 10 Pro couldn’t manage 2x without audio stuttering even at 360p. My iPhone can do it with 4K YouTube video, not that I need that.

iOS natively supports self-hosted contacts and calendars. No hoops. Android needs a separate app that may or may not work (my experience: it doesn’t work and doesn’t give useful feedback when it doesn’t work).

The app quality is so much worse on Android I had to go back. No forward gesture in apps and browsers - insane omission. There are literally only two calendar apps on Android that allow touch-based event editing - Business Calendar 2 Pro (paid subscription) and the Samsung exclusive calendar.

How does a modern smartphone not ship with a decent calendar?? Or touch friendly web navigation?

The rendering engine of the browser is far down the list of priorities compared to supporting basic daily workflows.

[cromka]

> No forward gesture in apps and browsers - insane omission.

Supposedly it's there, but it's up to the app to support that gesture.

> Samsung exclusive calendar

I am actually still wondering whether Samsung isn't the way to go, they do make sure to allow you the choice of not having to use Google apps, so they have their own calendar app, their own AI app, etc. I am currently on Nothing phone which is full-on Google. Might give Samsung a try before I move back to iOS.

EDIT: although I can already see they have no CalDAV support, either: https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/mobile-apps-services/sam...

[poulpy123]

Just tried on my pixel 9 pro with firefox and newpipe without issue (except that 2x is shit by itself of course)

[ForHackernews]

> How does a modern smartphone not ship with a decent calendar?? Or touch friendly web navigation?

You're comparing semi-abandoned AOSP tools with commercial Apple utilities.

[n8cpdx]

No I’m comparing Apple Calendar to Google Calendar, Fossify Calendar, Simple Calendar, Etar calendar and literally every other calendar available in the Play and F-Droid stores.

There only two calendars in the entire Android ecosystem that support efficient use, one is a vendor lock in, the other is ugly as sin and requires a subscription.

As for web navigation, I’m comparing Safari to Vanadium and Firefox, neither are semi-abandoned.

[philistine]

Android is the OS for the rest of the world. The people who need a smartphone, but cannot in good conscience pay what Apple is asking. A phone for the poorest 10% of the planet. A phone for those who don’t really think about what phone they should have.

Put in that context, it is not strange at all that your specific need is not met. All those people with Android, they don’t use a calendar to manage their lives. Maybe work forces them to use a calendar but that’s it.

[layer8]

That’s a bit inconsistent with Samsung flagship prices.

[kelvinjps10]

Samsung and Oneplus have phones that cost as much as ¡phones or more.

[nunez]

You're right, but if you're already thinking about spending $1.5k on a phone that's super locked down, you might as well get an iPhone. That's my point.