[thejazzman]

to be fair, the prior respondent did seem to agree with the word 'murder' so perhaps we're all ultimately in agreement about what happened :|

[rcxdude]

if it's self-defence then more or less by definition it isn't murder.

[FireBeyond]

Who said it was self defense? ICE, within minutes? Trump, within minutes?

Despite blatantly contradictory video?