I am seriously tired. Nothing "just works", I have to always reboot, restart, replug, update, force-quit and make sure it didn't hang up while I wasn't looking.
As soon as I stopped building computers from off-the-shelf parts, stopped installing unpopular applications and plugins and stopped trying to use OSes like Linux with relatively few users the amount of my life I spent fixing weird computer problems fell from hours per week to almost zero.
When I do encounter a problem, the answer is almost always available after 5 minutes on Google.
Following the herd leads to an easy life. Go figure.
Yet OP couldn't use more popular software (Chrome, Flash, iOS, iTunes).
Personally, the difference I see since I switched to Debian (six years ago) was that I had less problems than on Windows, and more importantly, that I could actually fix those problems instead of having to get used to them.
My Windows 7 desktop, which I barely use compared to my Debian laptop & VPS, still wastes much more of my time with maintenance and random bugs.
Sure. Because it is so common to have unstable linux-software but the so highly popular Windows is so stable.
I once had to start Windows in Rescue Mode and do some weird stuff there just to get Steam back running. It failed to start suddenly and seemingly without cause. For a while (some years ago) I couldn't boot Windows at all until I unplugged a dvd-drive (linux was running fine) - I still use that dvd-drive, windows starts with it again. I bought GTA 4 and couldn't play it because Games for Windows Live wasn't working (still doesn't, but i found the hidden offline-mode). Sometimes I can't delete files in Windows with no cause whatsoever.
At the same time, I'm using a rock-stable Ubuntu LTS with a custom "desktop environment" on the same hardware and never had any real issues i still remember. Oh, thinking a bit longer about it, there were some issues when upgrading to this lts: plymouth didn't stop itself (i had to end it via the rc.local) and pulseaudio didnt work (switched to alsa). That's about it.
Following the herd doesn't lead to an easy life, the herd willingly runs down a cliff.
> As soon as I stopped building computers from off-the-shelf parts
The most stable computers I've ever owned have been those that I've built myself, while 90% of my repair work comes from Dell and HP computers that barely last 2 years.
We have a lot of the same problems in my home too. My wife's computer, iPhone, and iPad refuse to behave with her email.
I'm using an old iMac as a media server, but every time I connect remotely using Team Viewer, it complains that I don't have a mouse attached.
My new iPod touch still won't sync remotely.
We were Apple fans "back in the day" (1990s) because it all "just works." The funny thing is my new Desktop/Gaming machine (running Windows 8) is more trouble-free than anything else I own.
Apple should work harder on household integration. Otherwise they'll lose out to Almond, Roku, Kindle, and all the other boxes that "just work together."
I think they need to stop adding new stuff and fix what's already released. Snow Leopard was the best version of OS X because they did exactly that. Bug fixing. No new stuff.
I can totally feel the OP's pain. Safari fails to render 1 out of 10 Pages correctly. Thats an issue with the retina MacBook Pro, but it's there since the thing is on sale.
Sometimes, out of nowhere, my TimeCapsule Backups take forever, although they are always around the same size.
With some Access Points (non Apple), my MBP takes forever to log into their Wifi after wake from sleep.
My MacMini Server fails to serve its Desktop via VNC when no display is attached, because they use GPU accel. to render the video and the GPU Drivers does not get loaded when no Display is attached. If got a freaking VGA-Display-Fake Dongle on my Server to solve this.
iTunes, don't get me started. The last 10 movies i added to iTunes have the Cover Art Tab greyed out so that i cannot add Cover Art to them. God knows why.
iCloud.. ICLOUD!
And so on. And i'm a guy who takes its time to dig into things. I want to get my stuff solved, but sometimes you just can't.
Oh right, so I am not imagining things. Or maybe you have "installed something you shouldn't have"? I had to buy a couple of new routers back then for my first-gen Macbook Air simply because it couldn't connect to a non-Apple Wi-Fi. There are more examples in this post: http://dear-apple.com/dear-apple-put-yourself-together-82158
Invariably it seems the majority of people who have these problems have done something to their computer. Either downloading an app they shouldn't have, or playing with settings they shouldn't have, or there's a hardware issues (power/memory problems will cause all manner of weird behavior)
Something along those lines.
The problems mentioned here are simply not shared by most users.
Show of hands, how many Apple users here can't get Chrome to work reliably?
How many iTunes users have had the app crash on them? I've been a fan of their products (software too) for at least a decade now, and the only crash issues I've ever had on iTunes were on Windows. (Apple's ported software is invariably crap) And I've got a library approaching 50k songs.
I've never had a problem with Preview corrupting files.
I've never had mail from the past appear on an iPhone.
Either I am incredibly, incredibly lucky, or these problems are rare and don't affect that many people.
I am experiencing the wifi sync issues quite heavily. My iPhone 5 might sync 1 out of 5 times, probably less.
I wouldn't say that iTunes is as bad as he says, since it's not crashing very often for me when using it normally. But every single time I plug in and iOS device it hangs, for up to 30 seconds, and at the end it either crashes completely or recovers. Note that this only started happening on iTunes 11.
I've had issues synching with the cable, iTunes telling me it just can't sync right now.
At one point, I plugged my phone in to sync it since it wouldn't over wifi. Except this time iTunes decided to re-synch ALL my music (over 4000 songs).
The App Store constantly harasses me to update the Twitter app, that I have deleted over a year ago.
I am on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB of RAM, and I don't believe I have done something to my computer, like you say. It is working perfectly otherwise.
I can assure you, I don't install anything I shouldn't, I just USE my hardware. Not just "sending emails, receiving email", but doing work on them all day, every day. And this is when the issues start to come up.
Only then you start noticing little things like how headers in those 'Group by' modes in Finder obscure the actual file names, that you can't sort files in the Open window, that every time you try to save the file with a new name it offers you to save to iCloud, etc..
I can't get Chrome to work reliably on OS-X or iOS. The overwhelming majority of "Spinning Beach Balls of Death" I got on my old MacMini and on my new MacBookPro were from Chrome. On iOS it just randomly crashes, and would occasionally munge up my bookmarks. (On top of that, Google's logic for checking if DNS is working correctly caused my ISP's DNS servers to treat me as an attacker and start ignoring me, so I would lose their DNS for some time after I started using Chrome. I eventually switched to another DNS server at router-level, but it took a while to find the cause.)
But I agree with you on the rest - these are not issues the majority of users face, and I've seen none of them. [Edit: Few of them. I'm somewhat sympathetic to stance that Apple's software is lacking in some polish. And Preview after Lion has been /less than helpful/ for reviewing batches of images.]
Seconded. I've never experienced any of these issues. When I thought someone was wrong or off with my MBP, it turned out to be another piece of hardware or software.
I was never an Apple fan, and I've always tweaked even Windows. Likewise, I have tweaked my MBP here and there from a software standpoint, using tools build for it mostly though sometimes command line hacks.
I run brew, replaced native BSD tools like ls and grep with GNU versions, no issues.
It's a development machine as well, so it gets pretty punished.
Again, no issues, especially none OP was talking about.
I am surprised you are writing this about Apple (I rarely use Apple products and hence don't know much about their quality) but I wholeheartedly agree on that title of yours in general. I increasingly feel like all products I use are in beta.
I used to blame manufacturers for this, but recently I have come to the conclusion that consumers are to blame. Nobody cares about longevity and build quality of products any more. Read some product reviews on Amazon and you'll notice most of them are written within days of purchasing the product. Go to Techcrunch and most of the product reviews there seem to be written before they used the damn thing.
tl,dr: If we incentivize designers and manufacturers to neglect quality over specs, we get the crap we get these days.
I was thinking about getting a Kindle, but then every book review on Amazon includes a complaint about book being unreadable on Kindle. And I was interested mainly in books about programming that include listings which get garbled. So I thought why bother... At least I can read PDF on iPad.
Apple's walled-garden is becoming quite large and it might be the case that they don't have enough engineers to tend that garden at the moment. Apple is, however, not a hardware company, they're selling an entire ecosystem to their users. It is in their best interest to make sure the user's entire experience is pleasant, so you can feel confident that someone does care.
I would suggest you leave for greener pastures, but Job's genius was such that you're probably not even considering that: it would mean giving up all the content and apps you've bought.
If the greeness of the pasture is defined by how well 'things just work' then there are no other greener pastures. You would be trading one set of bugaboos for another.
"Oh well, so after I got the iPhone 4 finally I could use the phone for a whole day, but the Home button... It's not working, and everybody who had an iPhone 4 had or having this problem. So basically speaking 100% of the iPhone 4 yield was defective."
Too true. I bought a Nexus 4 because I had this problem, and the alternative was paying £100+ for Apple to fix my button. Surely the sole button on a device should work for the lifetime of the device?
My employer issued dozens of iPhone 4's to employees and not a single one had problems with the home button.
I don't have a problem with people complaining about products, but it's silly to try to generalize it to "everyone has this problem" based on personal experience. Apple sold tens of millions of units of the iPhone 4 in dozens of countries.
I've found that Chrome works especially poorly with a weak internet connection. When I'm tethering from my phone, Chrome sometimes cannot load webpages (I have to close tabs and reopen), whereas on Safari I don't experience this issue. Could be all my extensions though?
Chrome was my weapon of choice but I am moved to a new house and this Error 324 issue started. Click reload and the very same page I was just looking at doesn't work anymore. It affects sites with CloudFlare as far as I could figure, but all other browsers are working fine.
I've actually heard the same sort of story with my dad, about his Apple products. AppleTV updates and such breaking such-and-such feature that he really likes, just random changes here and there changing the way he likes to do things.
Their quality control has become a little lax (they could improve consistency and testing surely), but I still think this kind of sob story is overblown. They're still better than about 90% of manufacturers out there in terms of usability and quality overall, and I think sometimes we get a little spoiled and forget that.
For example, my D-Link Wi-Fi base station makes me cringe every time I have to go into its configuration menus. It's quite literally their top-of-the-line piece of hardware, but it looks like the configuration was designed by a teenager who just took an HTML class in 1998.
On top of that, it drops the connection constantly and sometimes needs to be restarted just because it stops working entirely. This was a replacement for an Apple AirPort Extreme that my roommate took with him, and I thought "Oh this will be good enough, it's half the price," and surely I've spent more in time and frustration dealing with it than that money was worth to me. I completely took it for granted that the AirPort just worked, for 3 years straight, without me even having to think about it.
Lesson be learned: Apple has us generally spoiled, so that we expect perfection. That's a tough spot to be in if anything goes wrong (and sometimes it does), but let's not forget how good we have it most of the time.
Actually I use AirPort Express for a few years now, except running hot it is tip-top otherwise. D-Link Wi-Fi router I bought for my mom was loosing Wi-Fi point a couple times a day and needed a reboot to get back on track. Replaced it since.
Honestly, this is ridiculous. I have experienced none of these issues. I use Preview and Color Picker all the time. Both Chrome and Safari works always for me. My iPhone 4 did not have a home-button issue, so it is definitely not 100% bad. I don't need to restart iTunes all he time. I use Mail with 15 accounts and 50000 messages across multiple servers. No problems! None... Zero... It really just works for me.
Xcode sucks, but is becoming a lot less sucky with every new release.
I am a web-developer and I guess it is different with Xcode, but I would like to have my colors in HEX, like I had them before Lion came out. Amazed with your iPhone 4 experience, but where I live almost everybody I see has a "accessibility controls" on the screen because home button doesn't work. Regarding iTunes, my library might be too big, but each morning I see it used 5Gb of ram and after force-quitting it I have to wait for like 7 minutes while it is checking the library.
I have several orders of magnitude fewer problems with Windows than most anyone I know.
When I share what I do with savvy folks who are having issues, I find that NONE of them do all of the things I consider essential, that can be done with little knowledge.
My easy-to-do essentials, In order of priority, from years of experience are:
• I restart Windows frequently, at least daily, and anytime things seem "off" (rarely). I of course also restart any application(s) that seem(s) to be working poorly. I rarely need to do either.
• I use an online backup service that archives changes (dropbox) so I can restore old versions of files in case I screw something up (about once every other month).
• If I have a problem that repeats, I restart Windows in safe mode, and then turn off, unplug the POWER cord, and then hold the power button in with the power cord UNPLUGGED (fixes some electrical static issues. Works on other appliances as well)
• I hide all services under Msconfig > services tab to see what is starting up that I might not need, and then uncheck some or even click "Disable all." You can generally turn anything off here without causing noticeable issues. Turn stuff back on and restart if concerns.
• If one browser gives me a problem I switch to another (I have four installed).
• I upgrade or reinstall Windows at least every 4-5 years or so.
• I auto-install software updates and use anti-virus software.
These basic practices give me many almost entirely headache-free years.
Of course, I'm also fairly savvy about not installing extras with software, and avoiding clicking suspicious links or giving information to suspect websites, but these practices rely much more on experience, and can't really be considered "easy-to-do" in the same way the others can.
Also, I used to use Apple products. I had so many problems, and couldn't figure out best practices to avoid them, that I stopped using Apple. Of course, YMMV, all I'm saying is that I'm not qualified to speak to stabilizing Apple setups, but I would expect that there are best practices that make a difference.
"I have several orders of magnitude fewer problems with Windows than most anyone I know."
Same experience here, on both my home and work machines that currently run Windows 7. I've found Windows 7 to be remarkably stable, but I've also had good experiences with all the other NT-based operating systems I've used: NT 3.51 and 4.0, Windows 2000 and XP (never used Vista). But I usually don't restart Windows except to install Windows updates every couple of weeks. My work machine runs continuously (with lots of third-party services like Tomcat, Apache HTTP and VNC) and my home machine gets hibernated when I'm not using it.
This problems are no doubt real, but sometimes it helps to change one's perspective from one of constant negativity (which causes you to see more problems, and feel worse about them), to one of positivity and gratitude.
Every day I'm amazed that computers, some of the most complex non-biological processes on this planet, work at all, or as well as they do. I'm thankful that so many wonders are available to me, like the Internet and mobile phones.
This is why the computing industry should move away from this behaviour and into what is common in other industries, where if something is broken the seller is accountable for it.
Apple doesn't even have an open bug-tracker. That alone could improve a lot. discussions.apple.com is full of issue-discussing threads with thousands of replies, but nobody gives a damn.
Gotta agree on this one. And true, this is not only Apple's problem. Others have it worse probably. They and all of us [software engineers] should strive for more quality rather than features.
[+] [-] batterseapower|13 years ago|reply
When I do encounter a problem, the answer is almost always available after 5 minutes on Google.
Following the herd leads to an easy life. Go figure.
[+] [-] icebraining|13 years ago|reply
Personally, the difference I see since I switched to Debian (six years ago) was that I had less problems than on Windows, and more importantly, that I could actually fix those problems instead of having to get used to them.
My Windows 7 desktop, which I barely use compared to my Debian laptop & VPS, still wastes much more of my time with maintenance and random bugs.
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[+] [-] onli|13 years ago|reply
I once had to start Windows in Rescue Mode and do some weird stuff there just to get Steam back running. It failed to start suddenly and seemingly without cause. For a while (some years ago) I couldn't boot Windows at all until I unplugged a dvd-drive (linux was running fine) - I still use that dvd-drive, windows starts with it again. I bought GTA 4 and couldn't play it because Games for Windows Live wasn't working (still doesn't, but i found the hidden offline-mode). Sometimes I can't delete files in Windows with no cause whatsoever.
At the same time, I'm using a rock-stable Ubuntu LTS with a custom "desktop environment" on the same hardware and never had any real issues i still remember. Oh, thinking a bit longer about it, there were some issues when upgrading to this lts: plymouth didn't stop itself (i had to end it via the rc.local) and pulseaudio didnt work (switched to alsa). That's about it.
Following the herd doesn't lead to an easy life, the herd willingly runs down a cliff.
[+] [-] cypher543|13 years ago|reply
The most stable computers I've ever owned have been those that I've built myself, while 90% of my repair work comes from Dell and HP computers that barely last 2 years.
[+] [-] officemonkey|13 years ago|reply
I'm using an old iMac as a media server, but every time I connect remotely using Team Viewer, it complains that I don't have a mouse attached.
My new iPod touch still won't sync remotely.
We were Apple fans "back in the day" (1990s) because it all "just works." The funny thing is my new Desktop/Gaming machine (running Windows 8) is more trouble-free than anything else I own.
Apple should work harder on household integration. Otherwise they'll lose out to Almond, Roku, Kindle, and all the other boxes that "just work together."
[+] [-] firedev|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] tobiasbischoff|13 years ago|reply
Sometimes, out of nowhere, my TimeCapsule Backups take forever, although they are always around the same size.
With some Access Points (non Apple), my MBP takes forever to log into their Wifi after wake from sleep.
My MacMini Server fails to serve its Desktop via VNC when no display is attached, because they use GPU accel. to render the video and the GPU Drivers does not get loaded when no Display is attached. If got a freaking VGA-Display-Fake Dongle on my Server to solve this.
iTunes, don't get me started. The last 10 movies i added to iTunes have the Cover Art Tab greyed out so that i cannot add Cover Art to them. God knows why.
iCloud.. ICLOUD!
And so on. And i'm a guy who takes its time to dig into things. I want to get my stuff solved, but sometimes you just can't.
[+] [-] firedev|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] Karunamon|13 years ago|reply
Something along those lines.
The problems mentioned here are simply not shared by most users.
Show of hands, how many Apple users here can't get Chrome to work reliably?
How many iTunes users have had the app crash on them? I've been a fan of their products (software too) for at least a decade now, and the only crash issues I've ever had on iTunes were on Windows. (Apple's ported software is invariably crap) And I've got a library approaching 50k songs.
I've never had a problem with Preview corrupting files.
I've never had mail from the past appear on an iPhone.
Either I am incredibly, incredibly lucky, or these problems are rare and don't affect that many people.
And I am not that lucky.
[+] [-] minitrollster|13 years ago|reply
I wouldn't say that iTunes is as bad as he says, since it's not crashing very often for me when using it normally. But every single time I plug in and iOS device it hangs, for up to 30 seconds, and at the end it either crashes completely or recovers. Note that this only started happening on iTunes 11.
I've had issues synching with the cable, iTunes telling me it just can't sync right now.
At one point, I plugged my phone in to sync it since it wouldn't over wifi. Except this time iTunes decided to re-synch ALL my music (over 4000 songs).
The App Store constantly harasses me to update the Twitter app, that I have deleted over a year ago.
I am on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB of RAM, and I don't believe I have done something to my computer, like you say. It is working perfectly otherwise.
[+] [-] firedev|13 years ago|reply
Only then you start noticing little things like how headers in those 'Group by' modes in Finder obscure the actual file names, that you can't sort files in the Open window, that every time you try to save the file with a new name it offers you to save to iCloud, etc..
[+] [-] cydonian_monk|13 years ago|reply
But I agree with you on the rest - these are not issues the majority of users face, and I've seen none of them. [Edit: Few of them. I'm somewhat sympathetic to stance that Apple's software is lacking in some polish. And Preview after Lion has been /less than helpful/ for reviewing batches of images.]
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[+] [-] jonemo|13 years ago|reply
I used to blame manufacturers for this, but recently I have come to the conclusion that consumers are to blame. Nobody cares about longevity and build quality of products any more. Read some product reviews on Amazon and you'll notice most of them are written within days of purchasing the product. Go to Techcrunch and most of the product reviews there seem to be written before they used the damn thing.
tl,dr: If we incentivize designers and manufacturers to neglect quality over specs, we get the crap we get these days.
[+] [-] greenyoda|13 years ago|reply
And it's really depressing to see just how many of these reviews say that the product stopped working within days of being purchased!
[+] [-] mikecane|13 years ago|reply
And you can multiply that by just about every eBook app out there too.
[+] [-] firedev|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] Expez|13 years ago|reply
I would suggest you leave for greener pastures, but Job's genius was such that you're probably not even considering that: it would mean giving up all the content and apps you've bought.
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[+] [-] jwpe|13 years ago|reply
Too true. I bought a Nexus 4 because I had this problem, and the alternative was paying £100+ for Apple to fix my button. Surely the sole button on a device should work for the lifetime of the device?
[+] [-] snowwrestler|13 years ago|reply
I don't have a problem with people complaining about products, but it's silly to try to generalize it to "everyone has this problem" based on personal experience. Apple sold tens of millions of units of the iPhone 4 in dozens of countries.
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[+] [-] calinet6|13 years ago|reply
Their quality control has become a little lax (they could improve consistency and testing surely), but I still think this kind of sob story is overblown. They're still better than about 90% of manufacturers out there in terms of usability and quality overall, and I think sometimes we get a little spoiled and forget that.
For example, my D-Link Wi-Fi base station makes me cringe every time I have to go into its configuration menus. It's quite literally their top-of-the-line piece of hardware, but it looks like the configuration was designed by a teenager who just took an HTML class in 1998.
On top of that, it drops the connection constantly and sometimes needs to be restarted just because it stops working entirely. This was a replacement for an Apple AirPort Extreme that my roommate took with him, and I thought "Oh this will be good enough, it's half the price," and surely I've spent more in time and frustration dealing with it than that money was worth to me. I completely took it for granted that the AirPort just worked, for 3 years straight, without me even having to think about it.
Lesson be learned: Apple has us generally spoiled, so that we expect perfection. That's a tough spot to be in if anything goes wrong (and sometimes it does), but let's not forget how good we have it most of the time.
[+] [-] firedev|13 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] QuantumGood|13 years ago|reply
When I share what I do with savvy folks who are having issues, I find that NONE of them do all of the things I consider essential, that can be done with little knowledge.
My easy-to-do essentials, In order of priority, from years of experience are:
• I restart Windows frequently, at least daily, and anytime things seem "off" (rarely). I of course also restart any application(s) that seem(s) to be working poorly. I rarely need to do either.
• I use an online backup service that archives changes (dropbox) so I can restore old versions of files in case I screw something up (about once every other month).
• If I have a problem that repeats, I restart Windows in safe mode, and then turn off, unplug the POWER cord, and then hold the power button in with the power cord UNPLUGGED (fixes some electrical static issues. Works on other appliances as well)
• I hide all services under Msconfig > services tab to see what is starting up that I might not need, and then uncheck some or even click "Disable all." You can generally turn anything off here without causing noticeable issues. Turn stuff back on and restart if concerns.
• If one browser gives me a problem I switch to another (I have four installed).
• I upgrade or reinstall Windows at least every 4-5 years or so.
• I auto-install software updates and use anti-virus software.
These basic practices give me many almost entirely headache-free years.
Of course, I'm also fairly savvy about not installing extras with software, and avoiding clicking suspicious links or giving information to suspect websites, but these practices rely much more on experience, and can't really be considered "easy-to-do" in the same way the others can.
Also, I used to use Apple products. I had so many problems, and couldn't figure out best practices to avoid them, that I stopped using Apple. Of course, YMMV, all I'm saying is that I'm not qualified to speak to stabilizing Apple setups, but I would expect that there are best practices that make a difference.
[+] [-] greenyoda|13 years ago|reply
Same experience here, on both my home and work machines that currently run Windows 7. I've found Windows 7 to be remarkably stable, but I've also had good experiences with all the other NT-based operating systems I've used: NT 3.51 and 4.0, Windows 2000 and XP (never used Vista). But I usually don't restart Windows except to install Windows updates every couple of weeks. My work machine runs continuously (with lots of third-party services like Tomcat, Apache HTTP and VNC) and my home machine gets hibernated when I'm not using it.
[+] [-] Surio|13 years ago|reply
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/EverythingsBrokenAndNobodysUps...
Makes for hilarious and introspective reading at the same time (if that can be done somehow!)
P.S: Here's the old HN thread on this one: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4531549
[+] [-] firedev|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] codex|13 years ago|reply
Every day I'm amazed that computers, some of the most complex non-biological processes on this planet, work at all, or as well as they do. I'm thankful that so many wonders are available to me, like the Internet and mobile phones.
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[+] [-] jmduke|13 years ago|reply
iTunes Match is by far the biggest Apple crud that I've used. It simply does not work.
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[+] [-] firedev|13 years ago|reply
It lists some other issues, many of them are fixed by now and yet I simply can't list every thing that doesn't work.
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