"The plan does not prevent content owners from suing internet subscribers"
In other words, in addition to facing the risk of ludicrous damages, you can have your Internet access disabled, hampering your ability to find and communicate with a lawyer. Naturally, the Obama administration backs such a plan -- the thought of people actually defending themselves in court never occurred to them anyway.
"On the third and fourth infractions, the subscriber will likely receive a pop-up notice "asking the subscriber to acknowledge receipt of the alert.""
Hm, if I did this to communicate with my neighbors, I might go to prison. Nice to know that ISPs are not expected to follow the same laws I am.
I'm curious what "pop-up notice" means. I expect they simply mean a DNS redirect; anything more adds a whole new level of creepy (as if this plan needed more).
On the plus side, it's a good time to be in the VPN business. :P
My impression was that this program will actually reduce the number of lawsuits due to copyright violations because it gives the Content Owners another avenue to enforce their claims.
you can have your Internet access disabled, hampering your ability to find and communicate with a lawyer.
None of the six steps involve disabling your internet. Some ISPs have said they will disconnect you after you've been through the six steps, but others claim they won't.
The headline is a flat-out lie. The monitoring is being done by content owners, using publicly-available information from torrent trackers and other peer-to-peer networks.
I'm curious, what does this do to account for trackers randomly listing fake IP addresses? Seems like trackers could bring the whole thing to its knees with a couple weeks of mass spoofing. After about the millionth false positive the customers will start lawyering up.
Here's an idea/concern -- for those of us NOT using our ISP's recursive DNS what will this notification plan look like? My ISPs notifications (as in an interstitial page) won't show if I'm not using their DNS.
Presumably if I'm using OpenDNS or Google DNS for my recursive DNS it's going to be impossible to browse my interwebs if this ever happens. I'd need to assume this might be the case, and then switch back to the ISP's recursive DNS just to proceed through their acknowledgement page. Derp.
Well, it is possible to capture and redirect DNS requests such that they can send you to their "captive-portal" page even if you've changed your DNS settings. On linux for example, something like:
will send all your DNS requests to 10.2.2.1 no matter what your actual destination IP was. If Comcast did something like this at their level, it wouldn't matter what your router/modem DNS setting was. This is assuming you're destination port is still 53.
Your ISP could block all traffic except DNS and port 80. They can then redirect your port 80 traffic to their servers using one of several methods such as WCCP, inline transparent cache,switch with transparent cache redirection, policy routing or a device which NATs your outbound traffic to external IPs to the IP of their internal server.
On the third and fourth infractions, the subscriber will likely receive a pop-up notice "asking the subscriber to acknowledge receipt of the alert"
I'm more curious about how this is supposed to work. Is my ISP going to dynamically insert javascript into random webpages? I don't use any of the infrastructure of my ISP, relying on my own email and DNS, so how exactly is this supposed to work?
Maybe altering your IP address to a private block that routes everything to a splash page (a la public wifi where you have to accept the ToS)?
It will be great when all the problems of this start popping. I'm really don't think the ISP's are going to invest very much in enforcement. It's going to take a lot of time and resources that I just can't see companies like Comcast investing much into it, they are way too bottom line driven.
On top of this you are going to have so many cases of people using open networks to download torrents. They may claim that they will still shut these connections down, but I really don't think they want to go through that PR nightmare of every coffee shop getting rid of wifi because of stupid policy.
This is going to be loosely enforced at best, and most likely a complete failure.
We have open source software. Why not open source content? I do not have the chops to do it, but I would like to see software/start-ups that helps me, you and everyone else create content - muzak, movies, games, etc - free for anyone to download, sample, modify, sell, give away, with open source styled licenses - just like open source software. Like the linux ecosystem. Surely this is possible? We the consumers of content, should create the content. I am tired of being treated like a thief, although I have never stolen anything.
Any type of editing software (open source or not) has some kind of "project file." Trent Reznor was called the first open source musician because he shared his .band files from Garageband.
How do I get my copyrighted material filtered?
Can every reader of HN just produce a random 1GB string of characters, and get it filtered on the Net?
[It is copyrighted just by authorship]
You have to pay DtecNet to track your content (if they are willing to deal with you at all). But when you say "filtered" I have a feeling you may not be clear on how the system works.
And thus, the Government became a listening party to every data transmission that will ever exist for the next thousand years. Voice, video, conversation. The talk with your kids. Everything. We need to do something about this. The internet is the future data transfer medium. It's the substrate we will be using to think among ourselves. Our government is trying to get inside our MINDS. By becoming our mind before the neurons have a chance to join up.
I'm just doing a little startup with me and my friends, I'd like to have a website, or broadcast to everyone around the world, but I can't afford to broadcast information to all the people like the big fat-cats who have paid off the government can.
This is step 1 of 10 in turning the Global internet in a controlled apendage of the american government, to be metered, spliced, diced, fast-laned, slow-laned and policed. There will be "pay me money to use this part of the internet" signs everywhere. And the taxes will be reasonable, at first.
The government will own the internet, and you will have to pay them dearly to use it. Even when the internet is simply a data transfer between two consenting adults that stand next to eachother.
The government then took a large step to becoming a God, omnipresent. Privacy? Out the fucking window. Kthx
Frankly, I'm surprised it's taken this long for the government-industrial complex to clamp down on the open internet, and even this is weak compared to the possibility space (internet driver's licenses, etc), though it's obviously a "boiling frog" situation.
But it was, and is, inevitable that this clash happens. Democracy is not achieved and then chiseled into stone permanently; it must continually be earned and fought for by real humans, every damn day.
In this case, that means getting regular people on board with encrypted communication. Yes, it's an uphill battle, but we all got our friends and family to migrate from IE to Firefox. Now it's time to get them on PGP email, VPNs, etc. As geeks, we need to be educating users, creating one-click auto-privacy tools, and doing whatever else we can as Binary Minutemen to maintain a balance of power against threats to open communication.
Unless I've missed something important, please help me out in making the connection between the strategy of monitoring torrents to "Government became a listening party to every data transmission."
I've been doing what I can, but so far I've discovered no significantly new monitoring techniques that are being introduced.
[+] [-] betterunix|13 years ago|reply
"The plan does not prevent content owners from suing internet subscribers"
In other words, in addition to facing the risk of ludicrous damages, you can have your Internet access disabled, hampering your ability to find and communicate with a lawyer. Naturally, the Obama administration backs such a plan -- the thought of people actually defending themselves in court never occurred to them anyway.
"On the third and fourth infractions, the subscriber will likely receive a pop-up notice "asking the subscriber to acknowledge receipt of the alert.""
Hm, if I did this to communicate with my neighbors, I might go to prison. Nice to know that ISPs are not expected to follow the same laws I am.
[+] [-] lukifer|13 years ago|reply
On the plus side, it's a good time to be in the VPN business. :P
[+] [-] smokinjoe|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] sp332|13 years ago|reply
None of the six steps involve disabling your internet. Some ISPs have said they will disconnect you after you've been through the six steps, but others claim they won't.
[+] [-] tomku|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] jonursenbach|13 years ago|reply
Everything I've heard about this is that the monitoring is being done by the ISPs themselves, not the content owners.
[+] [-] mullingitover|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] betterunix|13 years ago|reply
My ISP owns a number of entertainment companies...
[+] [-] xxdesmus|13 years ago|reply
Presumably if I'm using OpenDNS or Google DNS for my recursive DNS it's going to be impossible to browse my interwebs if this ever happens. I'd need to assume this might be the case, and then switch back to the ISP's recursive DNS just to proceed through their acknowledgement page. Derp.
[+] [-] smtddr|13 years ago|reply
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 53 -j DNAT --to 10.2.2.1
will send all your DNS requests to 10.2.2.1 no matter what your actual destination IP was. If Comcast did something like this at their level, it wouldn't matter what your router/modem DNS setting was. This is assuming you're destination port is still 53.
[+] [-] tssva|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] mbreese|13 years ago|reply
I'm more curious about how this is supposed to work. Is my ISP going to dynamically insert javascript into random webpages? I don't use any of the infrastructure of my ISP, relying on my own email and DNS, so how exactly is this supposed to work?
Maybe altering your IP address to a private block that routes everything to a splash page (a la public wifi where you have to accept the ToS)?
[+] [-] LandoCalrissian|13 years ago|reply
On top of this you are going to have so many cases of people using open networks to download torrents. They may claim that they will still shut these connections down, but I really don't think they want to go through that PR nightmare of every coffee shop getting rid of wifi because of stupid policy.
This is going to be loosely enforced at best, and most likely a complete failure.
[+] [-] jpd750|13 years ago|reply
Epic failure.
[+] [-] jpd750|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] vincie|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] mehrzad|13 years ago|reply
Any type of editing software (open source or not) has some kind of "project file." Trent Reznor was called the first open source musician because he shared his .band files from Garageband.
[+] [-] camkego|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] wmf|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] fnordfnordfnord|13 years ago|reply
If it's a first "offense", how can s/he be a scofflaw? And, shouldn't it be allegation instead of offense? What the hell is wrong with this guy?
[+] [-] tzs|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] antimatter|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] HoochTHX|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] maeon3|13 years ago|reply
I'm just doing a little startup with me and my friends, I'd like to have a website, or broadcast to everyone around the world, but I can't afford to broadcast information to all the people like the big fat-cats who have paid off the government can.
This is step 1 of 10 in turning the Global internet in a controlled apendage of the american government, to be metered, spliced, diced, fast-laned, slow-laned and policed. There will be "pay me money to use this part of the internet" signs everywhere. And the taxes will be reasonable, at first.
The government will own the internet, and you will have to pay them dearly to use it. Even when the internet is simply a data transfer between two consenting adults that stand next to eachother.
The government then took a large step to becoming a God, omnipresent. Privacy? Out the fucking window. Kthx
[+] [-] lukifer|13 years ago|reply
But it was, and is, inevitable that this clash happens. Democracy is not achieved and then chiseled into stone permanently; it must continually be earned and fought for by real humans, every damn day.
In this case, that means getting regular people on board with encrypted communication. Yes, it's an uphill battle, but we all got our friends and family to migrate from IE to Firefox. Now it's time to get them on PGP email, VPNs, etc. As geeks, we need to be educating users, creating one-click auto-privacy tools, and doing whatever else we can as Binary Minutemen to maintain a balance of power against threats to open communication.
[+] [-] smokinjoe|13 years ago|reply
I've been doing what I can, but so far I've discovered no significantly new monitoring techniques that are being introduced.