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Intrade Ceases Trading Activity

155 points| kevinwmerritt | 13 years ago |intrade.com | reply

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[+] ghayes|13 years ago|reply
The title here is misleading. They are "ceasing trading activity" ... "as we do all we can to resume operations as promptly as possible." The statement alludes to "financial irregularities" which are being investigated.
[+] PeterisP|13 years ago|reply
Well, "financial irregularities which in accordance with Irish law oblige the directors ..." is legalese that, in essence, means something like "we've caught someone [stealing from the cookie jar / lying about losses] on a so large scale that the board is not sure if the company will be able to pay the money it owes to everyone".

There are just a few cases where the law obliges directors to do something; I'm not an expert in Irish legislation, but most likely they are clearly enumerated in a single law.

[+] unreal37|13 years ago|reply
I don't think it's misleading. Reading that statement by Intrade makes the situation seem that dire.
[+] joonix|13 years ago|reply
Read between the lines. There's likely been fraud here. They aren't coming back from this.
[+] gameshot911|13 years ago|reply
The money is gone. Either fraud (founders were skimming off the top all along), or they got hacked (and the 'hack' could have been an inside job as well). That's why they're not paying out - they don't have enough funds available. Same thing happened previously to one of the largest bitcoin exchanges[1].

[1]http://www.dailytech.com/Inside+the+MegaHack+of+Bitcoin+the+...

[+] il|13 years ago|reply
Or it could be the most likely explanation: the existing US federal investigation of Intrade is moving to the next phase, a grand jury has issued a sealed indictment of Intrade staff, and their assets have been frozen.
[+] vellum|13 years ago|reply
After they got shut out of the US market in November 2012, they lost a lot of customers overnight and had to pay all of them out in full. It might be something like the Madoff case, where he might still be free, if the financial crisis hadn't hit and made his customers cash out.
[+] ig1|13 years ago|reply
Unless you have strong evidence to support that statement I'd suggest deleting it as it's potentially libellous.
[+] rvkennedy|13 years ago|reply
They are paying out:

Settle all open positions and calculate the settled account value of all Member accounts immediately.

[+] andrewcooke|13 years ago|reply
[+] ChuckMcM|13 years ago|reply
Probably. Interesting line the CFTC is taking though, since it is only able to regulate US citizen's use of commodity markets and predictions are a commodity by the definition of the law as far as I can tell [1]. The 'fiction' here is that you're actually going to by pork bellies or soy beans or oranges, when really your just buying and trading the 'right' to buy these commodities at a particular price. So "The 49'ers will win the super bowl" is a "bet" but it isn't really a commodity.

So while I could buy intrade as an unlicensed betting parlor I don't see them as a commodities trader. That said, folks don't like it when you make money that they think they should be making.

[1] http://www.cftc.gov/ConsumerProtection/EducationCenter/Futur... - "A commodity futures contract is an agreement to buy or sell a particular commodity at a future date"

[+] apineda|13 years ago|reply
Real life version of the ban hammer. What are they called? Power tripping moderators or something like that.
[+] mattyohe|13 years ago|reply
Intrade shutting down? Huh, what are the odds of that?
[+] ad|13 years ago|reply
Your joke is even better since one of the Intrade contracts was "intrade will no longer exist in X years"
[+] bo1024|13 years ago|reply
There was speculation, especially in the run-up to the 2012 Presidential election, that some of the pricing differences between Intrade and Betfair were due to the higher risk associated with trading on Intrade. So it is thought that market prices on Intrade may in fact have taken the likelihood of this event into account.
[+] CurtMonash|13 years ago|reply
They are taking several extraordinary measures:

1. Settling all open contracts. 2. Shutting down trading. 3. Not making cash payouts.

#3 would be the end result of any of various sorts of problems. #1/#2, however, suggest there were problems with the prediction markets themselves, rather than -- for example -- straight embezzlement from the company's bank accounts.

[+] niggler|13 years ago|reply
Slightly OT: what's the current status of online gambling? There were talks of nevada and new jersey loosening restrictions, but most of those were reported by financial analysts and not by the technical community.
[+] michaelrhansen|13 years ago|reply
Does anyone have any direct experience using them? Curious - not familiar with prediction markets...
[+] mathattack|13 years ago|reply
Wow - this is pretty heavy. It's unfortunate, as I liked it as a view of market sentiment. It's one thing to pontificate, another to vote with dollars.

"Financial Irregularities" is never good, and I can't see this ending well.

[+] juskrey|13 years ago|reply
Whoa, I thought anyone today already knows that words "market"+"prediction"="scam"
[+] Zigurd|13 years ago|reply
Iowa Electronic Market is run by the University of Iowa. It seems to be accepted that it isn't gambling and it isn't a scam.

While Intrade might have been mismanaged, there is nothing fundamentally dishonest about a prediction market.

[+] kybernetikos|13 years ago|reply
"market prediction" and "prediction market" are two very different things.
[+] jey|13 years ago|reply
Care to elaborate for the ignorant among us?