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Just Landed

133 points| jacobwg | 13 years ago |getjustlanded.com | reply

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[+] frisco|13 years ago|reply
This is the quintessential first world problem. Out of the range of problems facing society that you could solve, of all the ways you could create value by making peoples' lives better, you settled on "making airport pickup easy".

Now, this is probably a completely rational move from the company's perspective. Silicon Valley over the last few years has been backstopped by acquihires and other such soft landings, and big companies desperate to hire outstanding talent are often very willing to pay high prices for a great team. From the landing page at least, it certainly doesn't look like the Just Landed guys are amateurs. They're probably a very talented, capable team.

If they're successful, I won't begrudge them their success. However, I do lament the idea that the best minds of a generation are being focused on getting people to click on ads and minimizing the number of loop-arounds you have to do at the airport. I don't buy the idea that these guys wouldn't be focused on "harder" problems if consumer web didn't exist; of course they would. This kind of talent rises to the challenge. The idea that these are the problems whose solution drives us forwards is just a monumental lapse of creativity. Technology is an amazing thing, and we can do so much with it. I really think it's just an exposure issue -- people are used to web, and fields like the life sciences or hardware seem mysterious and complex. How do those become opened up?

[+] jgrall|13 years ago|reply
Disclosure: I created Just Landed. Thanks for posting the app on HN!

@frisco: I can understand how you lumped Just Landed in with other Silicon Valley startups some of whom are creating frivolous apps and raising vast sums of money against small ideas. I suppose those irritate me too for the same reasons you mentioned.

However, in this case, you would be wrong to assume that Just Landed is just another overfunded startup trying to conquer the world with an airport pickup app. First off, Just Landed is not a startup. Just Landed is an app, built by myself and two of my buddies, because I kept making the mistake of forgetting to leave for the airport on time to pickup my girlfriend. After finding that no other apps were solving this problem (and that flight apps generally sucked), I decided to take a crack at it.

I don't make any claim that this is an important problem in our society (I built this app for myself), that this would be a good idea for a startup (it probably isn't), or that it's worthy of venture funding (so far it's not a great business). Just Landed was built with $15k of my own money as a fun side project while I figured out what I wanted to do next with my career. Frankly, I'm amazed how successful it has been - it was totally unexpected. Also, it's not even really a company - it was released under Little Details LLC because I needed to protect myself with limited liability (I also plan to make other commercial apps).

Finally, while we have certainly had offers, it is also not my goal to be "acquihired". I'm actually working on a mobile game right now, and am thoroughly enjoying myself. My goal is to be free to work on my own fun projects for as long as I'm able. If I come upon an idea worthy of a startup, something that can really change the world, that's a different story. FWIW I've already failed twice at a startup (went through YC once), so for now I'm taking a break and building apps.

Just Landed is not going to change the world, but it sure saves my ass (and helps hundreds of thousands of other people) when it comes to going to the airport to pick someone up.

[+] pg|13 years ago|reply
Are you sure you wouldn't say the same thing if it was 1975 and they'd made a Basic interpreter for a toy computer used by a few hobbyists?

Big things often start small. In fact, usually start small.

And in any case it's just mean of you to piss all over these guys' efforts. It makes me embarrassed for HN when people launch something new, and this is the sort of response they get.

[+] bherms|13 years ago|reply
One time I was really annoyed at how the door to my house creaked when it was opening and closing. It was so loud sometimes that other people would comment on it. I spent nearly half a day oiling the hinges, eventually removing them altogether, and then installing new ones. The world is worse off for me having wasted my precious time when I could have spent that half day learning about biology and chemistry and subsequently pursuing a cure for cancer.
[+] ebiester|13 years ago|reply
Frankly, I find this "first world problem" kind of attitude insulting to the developing world. You want to know who is solving developing world problems every day? The citizens of those countries. I spent most of last year in Turkey, which is rapidly developing. The problems I saw that they faced were largely the same ones I'm facing in the valley. (Frankly, I think Istanbul is more hospitable toward the destitute than San Francisco!)

As to why most software developers aren't working on harder problems, however, is that harder problems usually require more up-front investment and require the investor to take more risk. Without a previous record of success, it is difficult to get that trust.

SpaceX and Tesla don't happen by someone without a track record. Be a little easier on those who are trying to establish one. :)

[+] nawitus|13 years ago|reply
As the other commenter pointed out, three people doing a startup like this can easily provide 10-100x times more value to society when compared to them just being regular employees at a random large corporation.

Easier problems are solved first, and that's fine. There's less risk and so more growth per money invested. Not everything should be invested into super-high risk technology or something. Besides, this company might be bootstrapped.

It's also worth to note that first-world people tend to work on first-world problems. There's nothing wrong with that. It makes sense to work on problems that you're familiar with. I wouldn't start a restaurant since I've zero experience in that industry.

The problem is not that they're fixing a "easy problem". The problem is that for some unknown reason it hasn't been fixed yet.

[+] revorad|13 years ago|reply
This is the quintessential HN holier-than-thou comment. Out of the range of problems facing society that you could solve, of all the ways you could create value by making peoples' lives better, you settled on "pissing on someone's app".

Now, this is probably a completely rational move from your perspective. HN over the last few years has been backstopped by middlebrow-dismissals and other such poo-poo-ings, and bored programmers desperate to win karma are often very willing to waste hours crafting popular but mean comments. From your previous comments at least, it certainly doesn't look like you are just trolling. You're probably a very talented, capable person.

Since you seem to work at Transcriptic, I won't begrudge you your karma. However, I do lament the idea that the best minds of a generation are being focused on getting people to dismiss others' creations and directing all creative effort to what you deem to be "important problems". I don't buy the idea that you wouldn't be focused on a "better" use of your time if HN didn't exist; of course you would. This kind of talent is ambitious and gets things done. The idea that these are the types of comments that rise to the top is just a monumental lapse of discussion quality on HN. Scratching your own itch is an amazing thing, and we can do so much with it. I really think it's just an attitude issue -- people are used to dismissing new technology as frivolous, and mobile apps, in particular, seem totally pointless. How do we become less dismissive and more encouraging to makers?

how self-referential

[+] itafroma|13 years ago|reply
Entire generation? It's three people[1]. It seems you personally don't find value in this app, and that's okay, but it's a bit hyperbolic to write off an entire generation over it. There are most assuredly people who are doing more than getting people to click on ads and writing airport pickup apps.

[1]: http://www.getjustlanded.com/about

[+] samstave|13 years ago|reply
I am building an app ecosytem around people waiting in airports either for flights or to be picked up.

I am advertising directly to the people who have downtime between flights, and developing a community around the developers to create apps that are geared and focused on this high-value target market.

We have location based coupons that know, by GPS, when you arrive at any airport in 36 countries. When you land - you are greeted by offers from any retailer in the market, and are given the option to book travel (uber/taxi/shuttle/limo) from the airport to a nearby hotel - we sell the hotel booking as well and make a cut on the room.

We also offer social games for those stuck in airports waiting. Play with people at your gate, on your flight, from your hometown airport or any other place! Again the ads are all from retailers directly around you!

Finally, we even offer a travellers hookup service, so if you want to look for lay-over travelers to hook up with, you can sign-up and hook up. (this product is called 'Laid-Overs' and is our most popular app!

We have an API that people can connect to also!

[+] baddox|13 years ago|reply
For someone who genuinely complains about "first world problems," it seems that being upset about what smartphone apps a couple of random guys are building should make it pretty high on the list. I'm sure people living in third world countries would love to have the luxury to experience lamentation about which lucrative business choices a bunch of first worlders are making.
[+] BHSPitMonkey|13 years ago|reply
Wow, what an absolutely unnecessary and unwarranted judgment.
[+] ry0ohki|13 years ago|reply
I jumped to a similar assumption, but it's not clear this app is their startup. They seem to have a company "Little Details", so this is likely just a pet project they enjoy working on together. If we see them raising millions of dollars for this app, then this rant can stand.
[+] gfodor|13 years ago|reply
You underestimate leverage. If this app takes off and shaves off 15 minutes of time for a million people a month, you are looking at 10k man-days of effort a month being saved. Not to mention the fuel thrown away by cars in "loop arounds."
[+] incision|13 years ago|reply
>I really think it's just an exposure issue -- people are used to web, and fields like the life sciences or hardware seem mysterious and complex. How do those become opened up?

I think that's a really interesting question, but the way the rest of the post is/was written is going to work against it being considered.

I expect you'd have been better off writing something up on the idea in its own context and submitting it on its own.

Off the top of my head, I think we're already seeing hardware being "opened up" through things like Arduino, 3D printing and the ease of making global connections on sites like Alibaba. I can't really speak to life science, but I'm generally inclined to think that more (any?) exposure in primary education would help.

[+] Mz|13 years ago|reply
I have spent plenty of time around alternative medicine groups online. I have seen and done some pretty amazing things. I am killing my health site and I have started a comic. No one wants a miracle cure. Talking about what I have done gets me nothing but personal attacks. Doing something people will pay money for, no matter how trivial it seems, is the rational thing for talented, intelligent people to do. If you think saving the world is so important and worthwhile, perhaps you should quit being a hypercritical asshole and go do something "worthwhile." Get back to us losers trying to pay the bills after you win your Nobel prize.
[+] beachstartup|13 years ago|reply
i'm sorry but this is just wrong.

people in the 2nd world and developing world also need to pick people up from airports. they also ALL have phones that are capable of receiving text messages and many of them have smartphones.

and not everyone drives, but everyone sure as hell can call a cab. in case you didn't notice there are LOTS of cabs in the developing world.

quick top of the head guesses for market population size:

entire US: 300M entire EU: 700M+ middle class chinese: 300M middle class africans: 100M (??) middle class south americans: 300M (??)

what percentage of these people have smartphones? what percentage WILL have smart phones in 5 years?

[+] sheri|13 years ago|reply
How is this a first world problem? Air traffic is growing means of transport in lots of developing countries. India's air traffic has been growing at 17-20% per year. Smartphone ownership is also growing in developing countries.

Now think of the fuel and productivity costs of airport pickups. Usually if I'm early I end up driving around the airport, or worse, spending lots of money on parking. In India people typically wait at the side of the road with their AC on. If this app works perfectly, there is a lot of real gain to be had, and not just in the US.

[+] obviouslygreen|13 years ago|reply
"This is the quintessential first world problem."

Aside from being an overstatement, this is correct. And if anyone would think about it, that's something working in their favor. Unless you're one of those "profit is evil" people, when you're building a business with the intention of making money, you'll probably want to target a market that actually has disposable income.

Yep, it's very much a first world problem, but the negativity on that point is unwarranted. I doubt they started it with the intention of fixing society.

[+] ciaron|13 years ago|reply
I understand what you mean. I don't imagine I could work very long on a project like this with asking myself if it's the most important problem I could be solving.

But we don't know these guys, they may feel the same and this is a means to an end. Luckily the entire generation isn't working in Silicon Valley and there are similarly motivated people in climate change research, biotech etc.

[+] noonespecial|13 years ago|reply
This is a place where we talk about the technical merits of projects and provide useful feedback for making them better.

Posting a comment just to say that someone shouldn't have built it in the first place is profoundly unhelpful. Actually, its worse than that. Its un-useful.

[+] bradleyjoyce|13 years ago|reply
so.. what worthy problem are you working on?
[+] kevinskii|13 years ago|reply
One way to solve huge problems is by first solving smaller ones.
[+] kunle|13 years ago|reply
Have used this app since the summer/fall. It hasnt been wrong once and the UX is really great (The push notifications even sound like airport bells). No idea what the business model is, but the 8 or 9 times I've used it, I've been extremely happy.

I would say - if they supported longer lead times (so I could put in someone's info a week or a month in advance, and it would notify me, that would extend the value quite a bit). Otherwise, this app nails it.

[+] spacesuit|13 years ago|reply
Spectacular landing page. Really great. App looks nicely designed as well. Best of luck!
[+] johnrob|13 years ago|reply
Feature idea: let the passenger schedule a text message to the pickup person when it's time to leave. The same logic that powers the app could also send an appropriately timed message.
[+] jgrall|13 years ago|reply
The app is really designed for the person who is doing the picking up (it shows no departure information), and does notify them when to leave (as well as prompting you to text your passenger on arrival at the airport). It sounds like you'd like to be able to use it as a passenger and remind the pickup person (who perhaps doesn't have the app) that they need to leave. Is that right? Would like to understand the use case you're envisioning.
[+] Ogre|13 years ago|reply
I've got this, I've used it a couple of times when I needed to pick my wife up. I think the last time I saw it on HN was a day or two before she was flying back from somewhere, so I gave it a shot just for fun. It worked great, thanks!

I've got a suggestion though. On the last flight I was on myself, just a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to the two guys next to me and one of 'em said something about wishing there was an app that would do basically what Just Landed does. I knew I had it but I couldn't remember the name of it and didn't manage to find it to show him before the conversation turned elsewhere. Neither "Flight" nor "Airplane" nor "Airport" in the search page turns this app up. It seems like it's possible for it to - "Flight" shows TripAdvisor's app for example. You might have been a couple of bucks richer if I'd been able to find the dang thing to show it off for you. I don't know how you get things other than your app name to work on the search page, but if TripAdvisor manages it, you can too! I believe in you! Make it happen! Also because I'm going to forget what it's called again by the next time I have to pick someone up at the airport.

[+] scep12|13 years ago|reply
Yikes - the HN cynics are out in full force lately.

Kudos to Jon, Graham, and Sean for putting together a great app. Looks clean and works wonderfully - can't ask for much more!

[+] vowelless|13 years ago|reply
Isn't it a little short sighted to not have an android app? I get linked to the iTunes store on my phone. I also can't find it in the Play store.
[+] jamesaguilar|13 years ago|reply
Google Now already does this on Android.
[+] enraged_camel|13 years ago|reply
It's quite a bit more difficult to develop apps for Android, since the ecosystem is so fragmented and there are many different device types to take into account.

It makes a lot of sense to develop an iOS app and push it out as soon as possible so that you can start getting feedback from real users. Version 2.0 can include an Android version.

[+] rdl|13 years ago|reply
I'd probably use this a lot more if it weren't so single-purpose. I don't think I'd use an airport pickup specific app enough to remember to use it (unless I routinely went to the airport to pick people up, in which case I might have my own knowledge about traffic and time of day, on top of flight info).

What I would use is a more generalized "you must leave by X to get to Y" where the time of Y and travel time from me to Y both change dynamically.

And things like "you must start watching this movie now in order to have it finish before your flight lands".

I think Google Now does some of this (I'm not sure), but iOS alone would be a market for it, and a non-Google option would be worthwhile anyway.

I'm not disputing that "when do I need to go to the airport for an incoming flight" isn't important, but it just isn't frequent enough on its own for me.

[+] jacobwg|13 years ago|reply
I should probably mention that I'm not affiliated with this app or website in any way besides being a fan! :)
[+] mtp0101|13 years ago|reply
I think this is a prime example of the vast potential of computers to generate material value beyond what we could have ever dreamed of in the 1960s. Finally I can avoid making all those painful driving time estimates. This is really a significant improvement over plugging the flight name into Google. It could save me seconds, no minutes of valuable time that I could be spending developing my revolutionary messaging app that allows you to send small cartoon images of ice cream cones to your friends and family for a nominal fee.
[+] jgrall|13 years ago|reply
LOL. Seriously though, there are real benefits: don't be late or forget to go to the airport and leave your guest stranded; don't go to the airport too early in the event of a delay and spend hours hanging out at the terminal. I've done both of those, and I'm glad I no longer have to.
[+] viame|13 years ago|reply
From my experience all I need know is if there is a delay or not, which I check quickly on the airport's page. If on time: For international flights and large airpors if you have about 1h to travel (traffic, distance etc) leave when the plane is landing. By the time the plane gets to the gate, people get out, find their luggage and so on, it will be ~ 1 hour. You won't need to park your car, go straight to the door for pickups.

Speaking from experiences. Also my gf is a FA.

[+] jgrall|13 years ago|reply
Yeah, everyone has their own airport pickup estimation method. I guess after mine failed me enough times, I decided to solve it with computers ;)
[+] hugorodgerbrown|13 years ago|reply
Great app guys, congrats on getting it out. In my previous role I worked on myskystatus.com, which was a similar idea, originally built as part of an airline marketing campaign. We could see the potential and were desperate to get them to invest in its future, but they didn't bite, and it was eventually mothballed.

Are you working with FlightStats?

[+] hansy|13 years ago|reply
No this doesn't solve great universal problems, but monitoring a flight and figuring out when to leave is definitely annoying enough for me to warrant at least trying out the app. Ultimately my time is my most valuable asset, so anything I can do (no matter how little) to maximize time efficiency will always be useful to me.
[+] tempaccount9473|13 years ago|reply
How unfortunate, another "app" that would be more useful implemented as a web page and text messaging service.

I realize web pages have discovery problems, but so do apps at this point. But if the goal is an aquihire, I guess they can get bigger bonuses as an app development team rather than a web development team.

[+] chacham15|13 years ago|reply
One thing that I think would be REAAAALY cool with the homepage is if the plane moving would actually change the UI displayed on the app. It would be an easy, non-obtrusive way to demo the app without waiting for someone to click on a play button. Looks great though!
[+] mccolin|13 years ago|reply
The app looks beautiful, and solves a problem elegantly, but it's not a problem that I would pay any amount of money to solve better than a text message or airport/airline's flight tracker does. Even the 99¢ price tag seems like an overpay.
[+] jpatte|13 years ago|reply
Am I the only one thinking there is something strange with the numbers in the screen capture ? the time is 4:42, the plane lands at 5:23, it's a 33 minutes drive... so you should leave in 8 minutes, not in 18 minutes.
[+] wallflower|13 years ago|reply
Beautiful app. Love the custom animations. Focused and effective. Based on the apps I've worked on and the range of reviews to app downloads, this app probably has enjoyed the success of 200,000 to 500,000 downloads.
[+] marban|13 years ago|reply
From my experience, there's a ~30min. difference between various data providers and even the airport on a flight status so I'm not sure if this would be my primary source of information.