> So you're claiming that there is never any good that comes from speaking up against discrimination unless the law is involved?
Why, in discussions like this, do people struggle so hard to invent position the other person has never taken?
> How do you think laws get made?
No, the operative question is how do you think it happens? A group's wishes are compared to the wishes of other groups and to the Constitution. If the Constitution isn't violated and there's a public mandate (meaning there is something other than two equal groups, one for, one against), then there might be a new law.
> She quit because of the abuse.
Already answered -- let her start her own company. That's what a man would do in the same circumstances, and women are just as qualified as men to start a company. Or do you disagree?
> That's a professional and economic problem.
Yes, and it is one that women need to solve without trying to blame men for their problems. The sell-by date on that idea has passed.
Women need to wake up to the fact that there's no longer a man standing in the road, obstructing the path to the future -- only a straw man, one invented by women.
My favorite feminist anecdote took place during the MacArthur administration in Japan after the end of World War II. As part of MacArthur's constitutional reforms, women were immediately given the right to vote.
After the first election, the number of elected women became a matter of public comment -- they were elected in greater numbers than the pollsters had predicted. The newly enfranchised women were asked about it, and many said, "Oh, we thought we were only allowed to vote for women. Sumimasen (small bow)."
Sorry, but not being a woman, how would you know whether or not men are standing in the way? And in what respect are you qualified to pronounce women's complaints invalid? Yeah, whoever accused you of mansplaining upthread has your number.
Your premise rests on the idea that in order to get along with men, women must behave like men, in a system originally designed by and for men. And if they don't succeed, well, it's their fault because it's past the sell-by date.
Good call. You neatly absolve men from any responsibility, and completely disappear the uneven playing field. (Starting your own business is a non-answer— you're again playing the "have you tried acting like a man" card.)
lutusp|13 years ago
Why, in discussions like this, do people struggle so hard to invent position the other person has never taken?
> How do you think laws get made?
No, the operative question is how do you think it happens? A group's wishes are compared to the wishes of other groups and to the Constitution. If the Constitution isn't violated and there's a public mandate (meaning there is something other than two equal groups, one for, one against), then there might be a new law.
> She quit because of the abuse.
Already answered -- let her start her own company. That's what a man would do in the same circumstances, and women are just as qualified as men to start a company. Or do you disagree?
> That's a professional and economic problem.
Yes, and it is one that women need to solve without trying to blame men for their problems. The sell-by date on that idea has passed.
Women need to wake up to the fact that there's no longer a man standing in the road, obstructing the path to the future -- only a straw man, one invented by women.
My favorite feminist anecdote took place during the MacArthur administration in Japan after the end of World War II. As part of MacArthur's constitutional reforms, women were immediately given the right to vote.
After the first election, the number of elected women became a matter of public comment -- they were elected in greater numbers than the pollsters had predicted. The newly enfranchised women were asked about it, and many said, "Oh, we thought we were only allowed to vote for women. Sumimasen (small bow)."
wonderzombie|13 years ago
Your premise rests on the idea that in order to get along with men, women must behave like men, in a system originally designed by and for men. And if they don't succeed, well, it's their fault because it's past the sell-by date.
Good call. You neatly absolve men from any responsibility, and completely disappear the uneven playing field. (Starting your own business is a non-answer— you're again playing the "have you tried acting like a man" card.)