At 200 bucks a license there isn't going to be more than a couple people who are ready to answer stack overflow questions about this, there isn't going to be a good plugin to most IDEs, the tooling support is going to be poor in general and there is going to be libraries for approximately nothing (yes I know, it takes a lot less time to write them in Lisp, but it still means you need to dive into the Oauth spec to work with Twitter, whereas I can just download a library for Java that works).
I say this as a huge fan of Lisp and there was a time where it made sense to buy a commercial compiler - that time has passed, because when you buy a compiler and a new language you are also buying into an ecosystem, and the more people that are in that ecosystem the better for you.
I can see maybe using Lisp to do some special parts of the program, but even then there is Chicken Scheme which is free and already have a bunch of eggs (extensions), oh and it compiles to C too.
It's funny to me that people will happily spend $40 for a t-shirt, $100+ for a pair of shoes, $300 for an ounce of weed -- but ask them for $200 for a professional development tool and they won't budge.
Hey, mocl creator here. I apologize for the minimal website. We are building it out as quickly as we can. Bit hectic with a fixed release date we were trying to meet (and did meet).
This is exactly what I am looking for and I would probably buy it if I had some reassurance that it would actually work. Where is the docs? The sample code? Proof of concept apps that can be downloaded from app stores? Fine print for what is allowed in the different licenses?
Seems to me like LISP might defend itself as a mobile language through relative ease of GPU integration, given the parallelization possible through OpenCL/CUDA, the difficulties of using them with traditional languages, the mobile platforms' challenge of electrical power consumption, and the limits of CPU-based processing.
mocl creator here. Trial version will be coming in the weeks ahead. Didn't have time to put it together yet. Sorry about that. We do accept returns though.
Nice, and congrats to the wukix Team for their effort. However, will Apple accept those apps in it's store? There was this guy who wrote a game in Gambit Scheme (iirc) and was rejected back then. This seems to be the same process here (generate C code from Lisp and glue it toether with GUI code), just with CL.
Apple no longer cares what language you use, as long as new code isn't downloaded to distributed apps after installation. So it's okay to use CL as long as there is no facility for interpretation of CL downloaded from the net.
I think Apple will accept anything compiled with mocl. A similar project is RubyMotion (for Ruby obviously) and it seems to have no problem with Apple.
- No one has ever used this.
- It is filled with bugs and has no full time developers supporting it.
- It is extremely limited.
- The benchmarks are completely false.
I'd buy something like this if it didn't look like a good rich scheme.
[+] [-] tomjen3|12 years ago|reply
I say this as a huge fan of Lisp and there was a time where it made sense to buy a commercial compiler - that time has passed, because when you buy a compiler and a new language you are also buying into an ecosystem, and the more people that are in that ecosystem the better for you.
I can see maybe using Lisp to do some special parts of the program, but even then there is Chicken Scheme which is free and already have a bunch of eggs (extensions), oh and it compiles to C too.
[+] [-] stray|12 years ago|reply
I for one, think the price tag is reasonable.
[+] [-] wukix|12 years ago|reply
You do realize this runs Common Lisp, right? There are plenty of Common Lisp libraries.
[+] [-] pavelludiq|12 years ago|reply
Anyway, lispworks seems to be doing fine selling their lisp, so maybe it isn't hopeless for wukix :)
[+] [-] st3fan|12 years ago|reply
It probably isn't, but it sounds like a scam. Better put out some actual code to show that this is for real.
[+] [-] wukix|12 years ago|reply
It is real, though. I gave a talk about it at ECLM 2013 http://weitz.de/eclm2013/.
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[+] [-] octopus|12 years ago|reply
That being said, the linked video is from 2011 (published in 2013, but from 2011).
[+] [-] yakov|12 years ago|reply
Is this ECL re-packaged you charge > $ 200 for without even giving a trial whatever? :-)
[+] [-] flyingbeaver|12 years ago|reply
Like AppDelegate and a label with hello world in it ?
[+] [-] mark_l_watson|12 years ago|reply
Some blog articles showing development of sample applications would also be nice :-)
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http://wukix.com/dist/mocl_eclm2013.pdf
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[+] [-] clubhi|12 years ago|reply
- No one has ever used this. - It is filled with bugs and has no full time developers supporting it. - It is extremely limited. - The benchmarks are completely false.
I'd buy something like this if it didn't look like a good rich scheme.