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Mail provider allegedly used by Snowden suspending operations

134 points| subsystem | 12 years ago |72.249.41.52 | reply

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[+] junto|12 years ago|reply
That is crazy. I've recently signed up for an account. How annoying. I hope he wins his fight.

Talk about slapping down on the little guy.

His choice was a noble one. How many others would walk away from their business rather than be complicit in crimes of the state against it's own people? Few I imagine.

[+] drcube|12 years ago|reply
Funny, I was just told a company could be charged with obstructing justice if they shut down in the face of NSA requests[1].

I too, obviously, believe Lavabit's choice was noble and to be emulated. If every company did this, we'd all be vastly better off.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6104229

[+] peterjancelis|12 years ago|reply
So the US government will order you to suspend the privacy of your users, after which they turn around and intimidate you in not violating their privacy in what they are doing.

Got it.

[+] ihsw|12 years ago|reply
American jurisprudence has never been free of bias or prejudice, especially the Federal government. It's a matter of official policy to arrange for arbitrary assertion of power.
[+] sbenfsck|12 years ago|reply
Donate! Ladar is fighting for your rights too.
[+] plainOldText|12 years ago|reply
Only after seeing your comment I realized there is a link to donate to the their legal fund.

Thanks.

[+] clicks|12 years ago|reply
So now we know of one model of e-mail systems that's secure. I hope more e-mail service startups pop up that use similar techniques of managing e-mails.

Are there any more like it right now out there?

[+] themckman|12 years ago|reply
Wow, someone mentioned these guys yesterday in some thread and I went to take a look. I was pretty interested, however, I noticed that some critical links were broken (e.g. login and sign up), so I wandered away. I guess I know why those links were broken...
[+] malandrew|12 years ago|reply
Can't they just changes jurisdictions? It's not like the US is the only place to incorporate and host servers.

It's be awesome if we could invent the legal equivalent of a vagrant box for corporate personhood. How cool would it be if you could easily transfer your company between countries, choosing the jurisdiction most convenient for the moment.

[+] Sonicmouse|12 years ago|reply
If it move overseas, then the gov has 100% rights to store and search your traffic if you connect to said service.

Everyone overseas are terrorists, after all.

[+] junto|12 years ago|reply
Other story that links directly to the Lavabit website, rather than boingboing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6180846

Notably to his IP address rather than the domain itself. Maybe there is an expectancy that he will have the domain removed by the FBI?

[+] raganwald|12 years ago|reply
I tried submitting lavabit.com and the server responded by telling me not to submit spam. Perhaps the domain is blacklisted?
[+] rdl|12 years ago|reply
Someone really should implement the third party legal notification address cc which publishes all, and particularly interesting, mail. If your NSL comes in on a published address ("for quality control and screening purposes"), and gets published as a matter of routine ops, it is out of your hands, and fuck them.
[+] malandrew|12 years ago|reply
It's probably served the same way subpeona's are, in person.
[+] orestmayski|12 years ago|reply
So what mail provided should we now be using?..
[+] DanBC|12 years ago|reply
Use any mail provider, but encrypt all your email.

This has the unfortunate effect of providing plenty of meta data, and a tool for Them to lock you up until you decrypt your communications.

Or you encrypt the communication and use some form of anonymous remailer, hoping that these haven't been compromised by Them.

Another disadvantage of both methods is getting more people using good encryption, and making sure they do so correctly.