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soult | 12 years ago

Does null voting leave the seats in parliament empty? Or do the other parties just get a bigger share?

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vidarh|12 years ago

The only way of leaving seats empty is to win them and refuse to take them up. E.g. Sinn Fein regularly gets MP's, but their MP's refuse to take an oath of loyalty to the queen out of principle, and so they can't take up their seats (though they can now use their House of Commons offices and get financial support for their office; previously that too required an oath of loyalty).

sklivvz1971|12 years ago

Leaving empty seats is much worse than null voting. It doesn't accomplish anything more, as in either case your vote doesn't go to a real, voting politician. It surely wastes more money as the corresponding parliamentary stipends are given to - I guess - the party for doing nothing. Surely doing nothing has a much better price point at "free".

vidarh|12 years ago

Why do think they'd do nothing? Do you think Sinn Fein does "nothing" with the money it receives for it's Westminster MP's?

It's certainly possible for it to be a total waste, but in Sinn Fein's case, for example, whether or not you agree with their goals, it is a very clear principled stand: They don't believe Northern Ireland is rightfully part of the UK, nor that the queen is their rightful head of state, so they can't in good conscience give an oath of loyalty to the queen.

Voters who vote for them know full well that this will the outcome, yet they still vote for them because it accomplishes something to these voters: It (now) gives funds to Sinn Fein and it keeps sending a signal that a substantial number of people in these constituencies see British rule as unjust.

Surely there can be any number of other causes where the signal effect can be preferred by voters who otherwise don't see sufficient difference between the major parties to believe it makes a difference which one of them gets their policy through.

The reality anyway is that in the vast majority of votes in the Commons, the small parties votes have no bearing on the outcome at all because the first past the post system means the big parties has such a disproportionate portion of the seats, so most votes for parties outside the big three are still totally "wasted" by similar logic.

rmc|12 years ago

No. An MP is elected from each constituancy always.

There have been times when a party ran on a particular platform, enough MPs got elected so they decided not to sit in the House of Commons and set up their own Parliament, and managed to successfully break away.