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Tesla Model X

379 points| m0th87 | 12 years ago |teslamotors.com | reply

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[+] programminggeek|12 years ago|reply
What is absolutely stunning about what Tesla is building is simply that they are building gorgeous vehicles with great features/performance and they are charging appropriately for them. They aren't built to fit into a particular price range or demographic, they're built to be great vehicles, so that people will want to buy them.

I'll admit it, I want to buy a Tesla, even if it makes no financial sense for me to do so.

[+] Amadou|12 years ago|reply
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I saw a model S in person for the first time about a month ago and was struck by just how bland the car looked. It had a vibe that made me think of mazda and not miata or rx7 but whatever their sedans are called. The kind of styling that wouldn't turn a single head.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, I am a big believer that flashing ones wealth is a bad idea - it's gaudy as well as attracts unwanted, potentially dangerous, attention.

[+] colmvp|12 years ago|reply
It's sort of sad people only recognize Tesla for Elon Musk and not say, for Franz von Holzhausen. Tesla's designs are largely the reason why my head turns when I get a glimpse of those beauties on the road.
[+] onebaddude|12 years ago|reply
>They aren't built to fit into a particular price range or demographic

I'm not sure about this statement. If you follow the investment news on Tesla, it seems that the Model X was built specifically to fit into a lower price range, and hence get more people into Teslas. The reality is, there's no way they are going to sell 500,000 luxury cars; they needed a "real" car. And I think that's a great strategy.

This is an interesting car. I have to admit I've been a Tesla skeptic, but between the crash tests and the Model X (and whether they can really build it for the stated price), I'm coming around.

[+] vertr07|12 years ago|reply
They are definitely putting the design talent of every other American automaker to shame.
[+] thufry|12 years ago|reply
It's easier to price a luxury car appropriately if the taxpayer is contributing $7,500.
[+] tootie|12 years ago|reply
I generally abhor motor vehicles of all kinds and hate driving, but when I saw a Model S roll past me while walking to work, I had to push my jaw back up. The lines are just so luscious.
[+] jasonkester|12 years ago|reply
One silly thing to keep in mind if you're in the UK or Europe: You'll need to wait longer to take it on the Channel Tunnel, since it needs to ride in a tall vehicle/truck/bus car, which doesn't go with every train.

I sat in line for that compartment behind a Lamborghini Countach once. With like a 36 inch curb height, he could certainly fit in a normal compartment. But he couldn't open the doors, so he'd be stuck in the car the whole trip.

First world problems...

[+] Aloha|12 years ago|reply
It doesn't seem to tell me how much it is..

Generally if I have to ask the price, I probably can't afford it.

I want an electric car, I want one with a range of about 400 miles, with charging stations to support it. jAs soon as the electric car is as easy for me to use as a gasoline powered one, I'm ready to drive one.

For what it's worth, my line of work (making all those mobile devices work) requires an enormous amount of driving.

[+] bencpeters|12 years ago|reply
This might not be as much of a problem for most of the target market, but I was really excited about the Tesla X until I heard about the doors - meaning no roof rack options at all. Here in Utah, I would love a nice, capable car in the snow with plenty of room for gear, but if I can't put mountain bikes on the roof or a roof box with skis on it in the winter, it's not very useful...

Maybe I'm just not in the target demographic, but I can't imagine I'm the only one who wants roof racks on my electric SUV...

[+] atourgates|12 years ago|reply
I think the Model X will be ultimately be disappointing for anyone who's looking for a SUV from a capability standpoint.

Really, the first hint is right there in the marketing copy: "the best of an SUV with the benefits of a minivan" - which translated means "we know minivans are the most useful vehicle for families imaginable, but nobody likes buying a minivan, so we've made a vehicle that tries to have the functionality of a minivan, while not looking like one."

On paper, minivans are spectacular for families. They're affordable. They haul people in relative comfort, they're easy to get kids in and out of, they drive well, and they get pretty good MPG.

On reality, very few people actually want to own one. Ergo, millions of Americans drive SUVs who would really be better off in minivans. Which has led the industry to make lots of SUVs that try to offer the utility of a minivan, in a different form factor.

In doing so, they lose the "Utility" part of the SUV acronym, or at least lose its traditional meaning. Out of the modern crop of SUVs, there are very few that could handle anything more arduous than a carefully grated dirt road. Which really, is fine, because how often does your average family-mobile need to ford a stream?

Discounting the awesome technology and innovation, that's essentially what Tesla is trying to do with the Model X. And while I find the Model S stunning, this vehicle remonds me of the Buick Rendezvous, Pontiac Aztec and Toyota Venza. Not particularly stunning cars.

I sincerely hope Tesla is successful, and I'd love to own a Model S, but I'm afraid the styling of the Model X is a step in the wrong direction. Every time I've seen a Model S in person, I think, "That's a great looking car." I fear few people will have the same reaction to the Model X.

[+] robterrell|12 years ago|reply
I'm not sure you want to drive an electric car in the snow. Not that the torque wouldn't be great, but the cold would wreck your range.
[+] chime|12 years ago|reply
How about bike racks in the back? I wonder which placement is better for mileage due to aerodynamics: Top or back?
[+] r00fus|12 years ago|reply
Yeah, unfortunately, the doors also are a downside for me - I have limited garage side access.. The lack of roof-top carrier (which was the unsung hero of our last coastal drive) would be a downer too.

Despite all this, I irrationally yearn for this vehicle.

[+] adamkittelson|12 years ago|reply
Apologies if I'm missing something obvious, but is there anything new here regarding the Model X (e.g. pricing) or is this just an FYI for people who may not have been aware that it was a thing? At a glance I'm not seeing anything that looks to have changed recently on this page.
[+] gexla|12 years ago|reply
Yeah, pricing would seem to be a critical piece of info for reservation. Unfortunately I can't see what happens when you click on the "reserve now" link because the JS doesn't work in my browser (Aurora on Linux.)
[+] robomartin|12 years ago|reply
I guess I don't remember the falcon doors because this is a non-starter for me. It starts out talking about "best of an SUV with the benefits of a minivan". Well, in my world that means electric sliding rear doors and the abilily to mount our kayaks, racing shells or bikes on the roof.

What the hell were they thinking? The door has been left wide open for someone to do it right. I'll be in the market for two new SUV's by early 2014. That's when I expect to go past 250,000 miles on my current ones. I've been saying I was going to buy two Teslas. Now I can't see a way to even remotely consider the idea.

Sadly this feels like a lot of other companies with roots in the Slicon Valley community: A bunch of really young guys making decisions completely outside the context of the realities of families in the real world. Keep your falcon doors, they sure are cool but they are a colosal failure to capture my reality and that of millions of other potential customers.

EDIT: I secretly wanted Tesla to build a really nice electric boat as well. I envisioned buying the set: An electric SUV pulling an electric boat to the lake. No, instead they build a bullshit SUV that misses the "Sport" and "Utility" part in "SUV". All you are left with is a vehicle and a useless one if you truly use an SUV for an active lifestyle that involves more than skateboarding.

[+] nsxwolf|12 years ago|reply
Whoah, falcon doors are a deal breaker for millions of potential customers? Are you sure?

They're my favorite thing about the car. I hadn't even considered the issue with putting things on the roof, because I've never put anything on a roof before. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't need that capability.

[+] SeanLuke|12 years ago|reply
> What the hell were they thinking?

Here's a clue. The primary demographic for the SUV market hasn't been Mountain Dew-chugging bungie jumpers for a long time. The primary demographic is moms.

This is what's created the crossover market seemingly out of thin air; and it's why Tesla said "minivan". And why the X includes a third row. That's my theory anyway.

I also had thought the X was going to be a failure because of its lack of roof racks. But I don't think so any more. I'm guessing the X is aimed straight at the wealthy eco-mom segment.

[+] mikeash|12 years ago|reply
I think it's funny that you accuse Tesla of making decisions without context for how real people live, yet have decided that this vehicle is useless for everyone just because it doesn't fit your needs.

I'm going to wager that Tesla knows more about their market than you do, and that roof racks are not as important to that market as you think they are.

[+] homosaur|12 years ago|reply
I like Tesla and I like this car okay, but that is not a crossover. I have a Nissan Rogue which is on the smaller side of the crossover range and the body height it still significant enough where you could tell it's certainly not a sedan even with a casual glance. The only similarity that has is the flat back.

Good luck as well with those falcon wing doors when you're trying to park at your downtown football stadium or of course, wanting any roof accessories. Once again, not a crossover, because crossover basically means a small engine SUV. This is a sedan with a flat ass.

Wouldn't there be major safety concerns during a rollover? How the hell would you get out of your burning Model X?

[+] ruswick|12 years ago|reply
Try as I might, I simply can't get worked up about Tesla.

They make excellent toys for rich people, but are irrelevant to everyone who is not some sort of millionaire entrepreneur or high-paid executive.

Electric vehicles are incredibly attractive and massively beneficial to society if they are adopted at scale. Unfortunately, Tesla seems content to cultivate an image as an ultra-luxury brand, and hasn't attempted to lower the barrier to entry for electric vehicles.

I have no problem with companies that only want to sell expensive things to very wealthy people, but we can't possible pretend that companies like these will matter in the grand scheme of things.

Wake me up when we can buy an electric car for $12,000.

[+] mr_luc|12 years ago|reply
'Electric cars for everyone! Woohoo!'

^^ that's the exciting bit, right?

However, you don't get there without Tesla. Why not?

Because you can't compete with low-margin products in a low-margin industry, and still innovate in a sector where you need lots of R&D, where component costs are currently expensive but are expected to drop over time, etc.

Even the much-celebrated entry, at scale, of other manufacturers into the electric-car market is due to Tesla.

Tesla is kinda like Apple in this. They built a very adventurous, dangerously new, premium product, and really committed to it (think mac/iphone; like Tesla, it's not like there weren't other similar products/concepts, but a good consumer product hadn't existed). Upon market validation of the concept, other people jumped in (windowed PCs with initially non-clipping windows; initially crappy android phones).

The reason this is exciting? Because: 'electric cars for everyone! woohoo!'

IT'S VALIDATED THE MARKET! They've waded into a real, big industry, taken on incredibly ambitious problems ('start a car company', 'make an electric car'), and in the process created demand for a new premium product, something the market 'didn't know it wanted'.

Without Tesla demonstrating that there's a premium market segment here to be targeted -- essentially doing market research for larger companies -- we don't get there as fast.

Other people invented (windowed desktops|electric cars). But without (Mac|Tesla) productizing it successfully, how many years would it be before the consumer enjoyed (windowed OS'|electric cars)?

[+] rkangel|12 years ago|reply
Elon Musk's stated goal with Tesla is to bring electric cars to the masses. To do this, the price has to come down, and the price only comes down with volume, and you can't build the volume for a mass car from scratch without a low price.

This is a classic Catch 22, and Tesla's strategy for this is to start at the higher end with performance and luxury cars, where the costs are more acceptable, refine the technology, learn the lessons, wait for battery prices to come down, build the brand and product volume and release cars closer and closer to mass market.

Look at the history: we started with an sports car (the Roadster), which could get away with high price and average range by being quick, then a luxury sedan at a lower price point (Model S), now more of a family car (Model X). Affordable cars are in the pipeline, this is just the route we have to go through to get there.

Personally, I think the strategy is masterful. Every other car manufacturer went straight to mass market, without taking into account that the economics didn't work.

[+] ethanbond|12 years ago|reply
One thing to remember is that Tesla is a battery company. Cars help them to fund their R&D, but Elon knows that if he can develop the batteries that will drive every single EV made, it doesn't matter whether it costs the consumer $12,000 or $200,000.
[+] __--__|12 years ago|reply
That's not going to happen anytime soon. Batteries themselves are still too expensive, but what's even more expensive is the development time spent on battery management systems. The Tesla S has roughly 7000 individual battery cells, not unlike the single cell powering your phone. If a single cell over drains or over charges, it has the potential to cause a fire. That's easy to do with your phone, there's only one cell to monitor. But thousands of cells, bundled together in various packs of serial and parallel connections? There's a lot that can go wrong. That means these systems have to be bulletproof and I think we can all appreciate how expensive that is in terms of software and hardware development time, let alone testing.
[+] mikepurvis|12 years ago|reply
Keep watching. Tesla's next car is supposed to be the "Model C" mass-market sedan.
[+] nathan_f77|12 years ago|reply
I guess you haven't been following Tesla very closely, but you've got it all wrong. The whole point was to innovate with luxury cars, and then produce affordable consumer vehicles. Elon Musk wants to see the world driving electric cars, because they are better for the environment.
[+] RandallBrown|12 years ago|reply
The Model S is definitely in the realm of affordability for more than millionaires and executives.

60,000 is relatively easily affordable to the likes of doctors, dentists, lawyers, software developers, and more.

The estimated monthly payment on their website is 579/month which is actually less than I pay now for my subaru forester. (The loan is twice as long, but if I can afford to pay if for 3 years, I most likely could pay it for 6).

What's exciting to me is that these electric cars are just as good, often times better, than their non-electric counterparts. These cars can be bought by regular (although still quite well off) people. That's a pretty big accomplishment.

I can't wait to see what they do to make a more affordable mass market car.

[+] namlem|12 years ago|reply
These things take time. Tesla's goal for their next car, the Model C, is to reduce the price significantly. Now, considering how much their current cars cost, that might still mean $40k or more, but that would still be a significant improvement.
[+] mercuryrising|12 years ago|reply
I remember watching an interview not too long ago about Elon being disappointed with how slowly the regulations around cars are to change. He mentioned specifically putting cameras in place of the side mirrors, and how Tesla petitioned to have the laws around it changed about 3 years ago. Looks like they succeeded in getting the laws changed.

Seems weird that they went for the SUV crossover next. Although I guess that's the next rung on the ladder in order of bringing the price down. Fancy 2 seater -> Fancy sedan -> semi-fancy suv -> semi-fancy van | semi-fancy car.

[+] HeyLaughingBoy|12 years ago|reply
SUVs are the most profitable vehicle for automakers, so it makes perfect sense that Tesla would build one next.

Now that the public has been primed for electric vehicles and Tesla is building out a charging infrastructure, they're beginning to target the middle-of-the-road owners, not just early adopters.

[+] dsuth|12 years ago|reply
Hah! I was wondering about that; I thought their designer had just decided that side mirrors were too ugly on the 3D model.

I really like the way these guys think. This is truly disruptive design at work.

[+] nonchalance|12 years ago|reply
What's new here? I don't see any change from yesterday ...
[+] Amadou|12 years ago|reply
Seems like the gullwing doors have the height issue to contend with, plus what are the chances you knock your 5-year old's chin on the way up?

I drive a sporty 2-door SUV and what I've long hoped to find was a 2-door suv with sliding doors - basically mini-van doors. The Peugot 1007 is the only vehicle I've ever seen like that and it was a little too econo-box for my taste.

http://www.coloribus.com/adsarchive/outdoor/peugeot-1007-han...

[+] gcb0|12 years ago|reply
> promises 3rd car will be a cheap model that will change the world.

Delivers soccer parent SUV. With lambo doors.

[+] obilgic|12 years ago|reply
Tesla is Apple of the car industry.
[+] Lerc|12 years ago|reply
Someone had to do it. When the iPhone was initially released, I speculated whether Apple itself would one day go into cars. While the end product seems far from what they do they don't really sell specific products. They sell objects that people become attached to. they don't become attached because it is an Apple product, but because Apple sell products in the areas of things people become attached to.

Computers, and Smartphones have that level of attachment. The other stand-out items are cars and houses. A lot of people define their identities by their choice of those items.

[+] samstave|12 years ago|reply
Would you like to build the android of the car industry?

I am in... but I can only hit pavement running at a much further level of dev than now...

[+] broodbucket|12 years ago|reply
>We noticed you're visiting from Australia. Would you like to visit the Australian version of the site?

It's ridiculous that the web is in such a state that I thought this was a very impressive feature. You either get redirected, occasionally against your will, or have to add .au to your current URL and hope it works.

[+] lukeqsee|12 years ago|reply
I am blown away by how the doors open. I've never seen someone tackle the "oops. I'll be bumping/almost scratching into the 7-series next to me when I open my door" problem so elegantly.

Edit: typo.

[+] shawnbaden|12 years ago|reply
Gull-wing doors are a smart move, sales wise. They give you the exotic feel. But I'm concerned with them in practice. Since no height specification is given, I used this image as a reference to determine the height of the Model X with the doors fully open.

http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/bg_03_falconw...

The Model S is 56.5" tall. So assuming the above image is to scale and my math is correct, the Model X is 85.65" tall with doors fully open.

85" tall... For reference, a Ford F-150 is 75" tall (http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/exterior/) and a Ford F-250 is 79.8" (http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/specifications/exterior...) in the worst case.

Granted, most Tesla buyers are not average people with average-sized garages. But still, that's tall.

There's a reason more cars don't have gull-wing doors. They aren't practical for a lot of spaces.

And yes, I did see the in-garage-with-doors-open image.

http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/bg_04_garage_...

[+] smallegan|12 years ago|reply
I'm using chrome on this site and the experience seems subpar for such an amazing car. I click the link to see Elon's unveiling and I am brought to a page with a 360 click and drag that doesn't work.
[+] forgottenpaswrd|12 years ago|reply
This guys need to seriously consider redesigning the front plate.

They put it there because all normal gas cars need it, but electric cars don't need it, or need a very small one.

The rest of the car, I love it.

[+] monk_e_boy|12 years ago|reply
I was expecting so much more from the front of the car, they could have gone really imaginitive with the design and practical use.
[+] Florin_Andrei|12 years ago|reply
It seems to me the design is deliberately conservative for some reason.