> And it feels most like a mining town, in that it’s disproportionately young men coming in, and they’re transient. They’re not committed to the place, and they’re displacing a lot of people who are.
They're transient because screw-the-newcomer policies like Prop 13 and rent control make it unaffordable for many of them to settle down here. And it's disproportionately young men because these same policies, in conjunction with anti-development measures like 40-foot height restrictions across the street from BART stations, make it nearly impossible to live here without a tech worker's salary.
That quote is hilarious. So San Francisco is returning to it's roots? When the city was built, it was a mining town (well mining support town) and it was disproportionately young men coming in...
Indeed. There are two forces pushing against each other in this discussion of the arts. On the one hand, tech money does find it's way into the hands of artists. (In NY there's a saying that "Every financial services job pays for an artist" and employment in the latter follows the former)
But artists need a place to live. When artists leave, they can't afford to move in because of anti-development policies that discourage investment in the housing stock. The rent control policies protect existing inhabitants of existing buildings, but wind up crushing everyone else. Good intentions, but terrible unintended consequences.
"I met a guy who lives at 24th and Valencia [Street]. He says the Wi-Fi signal on the buses is so powerful that when the Google bus pulls up in front of his house, it uses all the broadband and his Wi-Fi signal crashes."
That's not really how WiFi works. Chances are his router is on the same frequency as the buses and he can fix this by changing to a different frequency. Even more likely (since one SSID shouldn't make too much of a difference) is that his WiFi router crashes at random and there's some amount of false causation there.
I know this isn't the beef of the article, but this sort of magical thinking that insists on forcing every little thing into a framework of a class war between the upper middle class and the lower/lower middle class is.
Actually wifi does work that way, notwithstanding the odd word 'crash'. It's entirely possible that so much bandwidth is being used by the Google network that his network has extremely high packet loss and is effectively useless, especially if Google is using better gear (like directional antennas). And you're aware there's only actually three channels, and each bus wouldn't be using the same one, right?
But sure, use a partial understanding of technology to generate a narrative in which this guy has only a self-created problem, and take from him the benefit of the doubt. Then we can turn off our empathy circuits, reject this very dear example, and continue pretending that its workers (and users) are not pawns of a malevolent Google.
I dunno, I find that little anecdote pretty hilarious.
Gives a new meaning to "noise complaint".
Actually, what constitutes "noise" in the context of noise volume laws? Devices have to accept interference as per FCC regulation, but isn't "overpowering" a specific WiFi frequency fundamentally the same thing as blaring music?
There are actually a lot of new units coming on the market soon. This article from August claims there are twice as many units "in the pipeline" as the number that made it to market in the past decade:
I'd guess that there are NIMBY building costs that prevented housing construction until the rent got so high, but it does look like an end is in sight.
The author writes about how corporate shuttles insulate tech workers from transit problems, and how if this weren't the case, there'd be powerful forces pushing to make public transit better.
She misses an opportunity to make a similar point about antidevelopment San Franciscans being insulated by their rent control, but she comes close to it when talking about the Ellis Act. What makes this law so terrifying to longtime, usually antidensity, residents is that it puts them on equal footing with all the new arrivals. It forces them to lie in the bed they've made.
It's like how the draft can turn hawks into doves amongst people who wouldn't otherwise have children in the military.
Nevermind that the corporate shuttles exist mainly because of the transit problems. If the companies that provide the shuttles weren't aware of the transit issues, they never would have provided the shuttles.
> Caltrain does run down there. We could have beefed up that system and had a tremendously efficient train system, with trains leaving every 15 minutes or so for the peninsula
The problem is that Caltrain (and BART outside SF proper) has its stations along the periphery instead of the heart of town. You can't jump on Caltrain in the Mission or Noe Valley or even Market St, and on the southern end, it's not going to drop you off anywhere near anything.
This is because California, and the Bay Area in particular, follows a policy of "The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many", and when previous generations were deciding where to put stations, they didn't use eminent domain like most municipalities would; instead, they built them either in the few parcels of vacant land off on the periphery, or along the freeway land they already owned, which is perhaps the most pedestrian-hostile arrangement possible.
Uh...have you actually ridden Caltrain? Outside of SF, Caltrain stops in the very heart of each down town. San Bruno, Burlingame, San Mateo, Belmont, San Carlos, Redwood city, Menlo Park, Palo Alto, Mountain view, San Jose all have stations that border the historical main down town (I think Sunnyvale and Santa Clara as well). In SF proper, it's probably more to do with geography than land purchases. Trains really don't like hills and tunneling is expensive.
The problem is really, that the train tracks were built in the 1860's when all these places were little towns linked by farms and fields. Then the automobile took over and there was just not seen the need for branch lines. Now it's solid industrial/suburbia all the way up and eminent domain would be way too expensive both in terms of money and politics.
This sentiment has its roots in the Freeway Revolts of the 60s and 70s. Caltrans had massive plans to wrap the entire Bay Area in freeways (plans which were only partially implemented) and the backlash put the brakes on not just new highway construction, but any kind of major infrastructure improvement. The high number of land takings is part of the reason why high speed rail is drawing a lot of criticism. In fact, peninsula residents more likely oppose the aerial grade-separation structures that would improve Caltrain service as well, not HSR itself.
Honestly, I'm surprised Jason Fried and DHH haven't picked up on this news trend to point out how bizarre it is that these companies still bus people around at 40 MPH instead of their communication at the speed of light.
Isn't this just another argument for the innovative promise of remote work? That both the old centralized model of the company town, and the hub-and-spoke suburban campus model, impose all kinds of costs and limitations on employees and the community as well as the company? It's surely impressive that certain companies have become cultural forces in their region, but it's not always eventually a good thing (see the Great Lakes area), and the inevitable cultural conflicts are bloody and never-ending.
Also, I wonder if other parts of the continent (whom would probably buy Google the buses to transport people in or out of their city) laugh or cry when they read about these first-world-economy problems.
It seems that it is currently more efficient to bus people around, using (abusing, some might say) the infrastructure that already exists than to battle municipalities and telcos to provide/get/allow-you-to-install higher speed network connectivity.
In nature, when a single-celled organism grows large, it divides. Silicon Valley--or more accurately the tech companies located there--needs to diversify geographically. It has gone beyond a critical mass and is starting to hurt itself and the surrounding communities from the excess.
The problem is that there are few other nucleation sites that a viable tech community can condense around. The major tech employers are not spreading out to lower their impact. There's no reason why 2000 employees all need to be on the same campus. There is no way in Hades you are cross-pollinating your divisions to that extent.
Spread out and invest in connectivity technologies that make talking across the continent as easy as over a cubicle wall.
Is it just me or does it make less sense to blame a group of people for having jobs well-paying enough for them to afford living in San Francisco than to blame city zoning laws which have rather unreasonably constrained the supply of rented units and driven prices to what they are now?
> In another era, the captains of industry would have said, “OK, our workers live here, our factory is there; let’s encourage, enforce, and subsidize the improvement of public transit.”
Uh, what?
This is kind of a silly point, but I think it exemplifies how misplaced all this tension is.
For example, mayor LaGuardia put a TON of work into forcing the privately owned transit lines to become a public good in NYC. The "captains of industry" didn't improve public transportation - they just started their own transportation companies. It took a lot of hard work by a lot of great government officials for the NYC subway to become the awesome service that it is today (incoming jokes about the L train).
The city of San Francisco's biggest enemy in this whole "nouveau riche" problem is the city of San Francisco. But everyone's too busy cuttin' each other's throats to realize that.
No, you're right. She just randomly makes stuff up in that article as presents it as fact. Like, she tries to claim that the minimum monthly rent in San Francisco is $4,000. No. No, it's not.
There is a lot of focus on Ellis Act evictions, but the fact is that there just aren't very many of them. This article claims only 116 in the last year, which is significantly less than the numbers 5 or 10 years ago:
The solution to the rising price to rent is to increase supply. Anybody in SF should be able to drive up Market and see evidence of the massive number of units just opening up.
Ellis Act is tricky. It's threatened far more than it's executed. That's because it bad for renter credit (supposedly) to have an eviction and it imposes a bunch of random restrictions on the owner. So it gets threatened and then occupants take a payout and move out quietly.
"Are Job Creators and Tax Paying Workers Really Ruining San Francisco? Yes, Says Rebecca Solnit", fixed that for you.
The idiocy of this article is disturbing:
"Twitter got this tax break to stay in San Francisco that they blackmailed out of the mayor" (They "blackmailed" him? Really?)
"young men coming in, and they’re transient. They’re not committed to the place" (which is why they bought a house in a dump neighborhood to fix up and keep for the rest of their lives. Jesus give them time, they're not going to settle down, get married, and have kids right after college.)
It seems no journalist is willing to see this from the other point of view. Which is blaming San Francisco's politics. 1 of 4 things is happening here:
● Politics have bought out journalism to such a degree that a serious conversation criticizing San Fran cannot take place.
● Journalists today really are that one sided.
● The media is trying to fuel a class war, they just got done fueling a race war with the Trayvon Martin trial.
● Somebody has a serious hatred for Google in particular because all of this anger is directed towards them.
I feel like, as far as this topic goes, everything that needs to be said has already been said. There's been a lot of talk about "class warfare" in San Francisco, and nothing new has developed. Until then, we're stuck with speculation from a handful of writers that (in my opinion) are dredging up news where none exists.
There's a related conversation happening in the neighborhood I live in, Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Not about techies specifically, but about the general wave of wealthier young folks moving in and driving up rents. Displacing existing residents. Gentrifying. Etc.
Now, I can afford to continue living there, so maybe it's easy to hold this view, but I never felt I could get too upset about this situation.
First: It's a great sign that the neighborhood's so desirable that people will spend to move there. It's bringing in business (and helping existing businesses). It's making things safer. Making things more interesting.
Second: I've been around for longer than many people, but I transplanted there at some point, as well.
Third: Neighborhoods and cities change. No way around it. Much rather they grow and become popular with smart, upwardly-mobile young people (with a creative streak) than grow stale or decay.
Fourth: If something is a limited resource but in high demand, the price goes up! While I don't believe people should be kicked out their homes willy-nilly, I also believe that if a ton of people want something, then it's fair for the market to respond by raising prices (with some constraints, of course, which I'm not going to get into here). To me, this is one of the downsides of renting. You run that risk. If that's not appealing, then one should try to own (which could be a nice investment if your area is booming).
Am I being a douchebag gentrification-sympathizer? Maybe I'm just one of the people the "real residents" get to hate on -- a white male with a bit of extra disposable income.
Anyway: Not SF-specific. But certainly other parts of the country are having similar issues. (I lived in Austin for 27 years, and though I don't keep up with local politics there, I bet they're also going through a light-weight version of this in areas.)
> "Maybe I'm just one of the people the "real residents" get to hate on"
I think here you have touched on the root of all of these sort of "issues": the notion that people how have lived in a neighborhood longer than others are somehow "better", "more deserving", or "'real' citizens".
> Am I being a douchebag gentrification-sympathizer?
Maybe. Do you interact with poorer and long-time residents, or only other wealthy people? Do you support longstanding shops, or just the new expensive ones?
She skipped high school altogether, enrolling in an alternative junior high in the public school system that took her through tenth grade, when she passed the GED.
This is from Rebecca Solnit's Wikipedia page. This is the longest way of saying, "Dropped Out of High School" I have ever heard.
Someone really need to write about all the side-effects of the technology and finance workers leaving San Francisco. What will the real estate prices be like? How will it affect local businesses? City taxes? Crime? How about we see the truth from all angles?
"And I have other friends who are homeowners, but the majority of people I know are renters, and I keep teasing my friends who are economically vulnerable that maybe they should go to Vallejo or Stockton, which are in economic crisis, and create a great, thriving bohemia there."
I think she's on to something here... A smart community activist in conjunction with a pro-active real estate developer with a really long term vision could 'organically' help create neighborhoods ready for gentrification (and profit handsomely) and help create great places for artists, writers and activists to live at the same time.
All that's needed is a website that organizes groups of artists, writers and activists to tell them where to go live next, flash mob style. Once the artists, writers and activists have sown the seeds of gentrification, the developer can then provide the members some financial (or non-financial) reward to move on to the next neighborhood and start the process anew.
Basically it'd be comp'ing the group for all the work they have done to create a live-able, dynamic neighborhood which is not happening today.
I don't know about San Francisco because I live in Oakand, but I know there are lots of wealthier (like people who can afford $600+/mo in rent) people moving in who are hurting my neighborhood. I try to mitigate the harm I'm doing, but know I'm one of them too.
We don't acknowledge other people in the street. We draw arbitrary lines between "scary" people and "less scary" people, but in reality are using race and class markers to make those decisions. And we treat somewhere between "the scary few" and "everyone not white" as if they don't exist. We don't shop at local shops and restaurants, we leave the area to go to restaurants that either appeal to their class background or their racial comfort zone.
I'm not trying to place blame, or say we are "classists" or "racists". As someone who tries and often fails to do the opposite, I can see how hard it is. There are real dangers to be afraid of. It's not easy to walk into a barbeque place where you're the only white person and have that be your Date Night go-to spot.
That said, I think a lot of people moving out here aren't even trying to understand what it's like having a different class of people move into your neighborhood and "walk among you" as if you don't even exist, terraforming the space you struggled in your whole life with a snap of the fingers.
I know San Francisco is a different place, and it's more white, which changes some of this stuff. But in the Mission I know there are similar things happening in Latin@ neighborhoods. People who have been living in those neighborhoods for decades who were central contributors to that place are being pushed out to the East Bay and elsewhere because they can't afford rent.
Maybe it's inevitable, and maybe it's no one's fault. But I don't see how anyone can deny that important cultural institutions are being destroyed so that rich tech folks can have nice apartments to live in in "funky" neighborhoods.
Like there’s a $3 million prize that some of the Facebook and Google billionaires have put up for medical breakthroughs. They seem to misunderstand how medical research takes place.
This lady is out of her gourd. She appears to be talking about this:
This alone makes it obvious what her real problem is. She wants people to give their money to causes that she supports. She does that by stating that they aren't civicly minded but she's just belittling what civic-minded tasks they're doing because she thinks other ones are important.
In general, the argument here is "Fucking rich people!! They're ruining it for the rest of us!", which I don't think has ever been a successful way to get anything you want. Moreover, they're missing half of why this is happening: their beloved shitty neighborhoods are being cleaned up by new business and new housing.
If they got enough political control over the zoning board or the city council they could make it impossible for new businesses to be approved, make it harder for the ones there now, and generally make it difficult to impossible to create new condos. Either they suck at local politics or they're being too anti-authoritarian to accomplish their goals in a meaningful way.
I wonder how she feels about hispanic immigrants to the USA? Does she think we should keep them out because they're "ruining" American culture? This whole thing smacks of this weird anti-immigration mentality that I wouldn't have expected from the left-leaning groups leading the protests. I'm going to make a side-by-side of Texans upset about Latinos and San Franciscan hipsters upset about techies.
Anyone else burst out laughing after reading this?:
"I met a guy who lives at 24th and Valencia [Street]. He says the Wi-Fi signal on the buses is so powerful that when the Google bus pulls up in front of his house, it uses all the broadband and his Wi-Fi signal crashes. And that’s like a tiny thing that happens to one guy, but it signifies, “We are so mighty, we are crushing your reality.”"
Man, I am 100% sympathetic to the issues Solnit is talking about -- gentrification, the plight of the poor, public transit -- but I find this approach & framing completely off-putting. It's hard to articulate why. Maybe the whiff of entitlement to SF the way Solnit believes it ought to be, as if that's somehow purer SF than prior waves of change.
The upshot is that I'm way more conflicted than I might have been otherwise. And while it's not like I, as an individual, have some great sway over this debate, I can't imagine I'm the only leftie who feels sympathetic but alienated.
Maybe that's that cost of doing business here, so to speak. It's no secret there's a huge libertarian streak running through tech. And it's not difficult to imagine how unpopular a lot of obnoxious young white men in tech might already be in some areas.
And finally: big name tech companies = big headlines.
Disclosure: I work for one of the big companies discussed in this piece.
On the flip side its kind of amazing that such a beautiful city with a mild climate and massive protected harbor has maintained being so affordable for so long prior to today. Its kind of a fluke that some really awful urban planning disasters happened to blight the city enough in the 50's to open a window for activists and artists to affordably settle down there in the 60's and 70's. Otherwise it would probably never have been a counter culture mecca to begin with
I really hope there won't be any financial industry like cold response to these issues. It be good for all involved if tech companies and people (who are definitely capable of this) to reach out and allay these concerns.
Yes, but the anger at the Google buses and the people who ride them is misplaced. These people really don't want to be paying $3000 per month for housing, and they have no power. In fact, many would be happy to live in low-COL regions (instead of cramming into SF) if it weren't for the career-limiting effects (at least at Google, you have to work in MTV if you want a decent shot at getting a real project; there are good projects elsewhere, but far fewer of them.)
Google's rank and file are not the bad guys. Irritating them does no good to anyone. When poor proletariat fight somewhat richer proletariat over their rides in "luxury buses", the real bad guys win. Divide and conquer.
The real bad guys aren't "techno riche". They invest in and manage software companies, but they don't know (or care) about technology. They couldn't write a line of code to save their lives. Those software execs making $250k++ per year while working 11-to-3 are MBA-culture colonists (Damaso Effect) who came in because we, as technologists, failed to prevent them from conquering us and drawing off almost all of the wealth we produce. We're very good at busting our balls (and ovaries) to solve hard technical problems, but we're terrible at protecting our own interests, especially as a group.
Any company with $250k++ execs working 11:00-3:00 is not going to be around very long. Among the execs in those ranks I've known, if you're a corporate exec making $500k+, the company owns you. When the CEO calls at 2:00 AM Sunday and says, "We've got a problem is Shenzhen", you're on a plane a 6:00 AM, too bad if your daughter's senior recital is 2:00 PM that day.
many would be happy to live in low-COL regions (instead of cramming into SF)
Isn't Mountain View (or pretty much anywhere else in the valley) cheaper than SF? If these people have no time outside of work to appreciate SF and can barely afford the rent, why are they living there?
raldi|12 years ago
They're transient because screw-the-newcomer policies like Prop 13 and rent control make it unaffordable for many of them to settle down here. And it's disproportionately young men because these same policies, in conjunction with anti-development measures like 40-foot height restrictions across the street from BART stations, make it nearly impossible to live here without a tech worker's salary.
BashiBazouk|12 years ago
Are we sure this isn't how it's supposed to be?
mathattack|12 years ago
But artists need a place to live. When artists leave, they can't afford to move in because of anti-development policies that discourage investment in the housing stock. The rent control policies protect existing inhabitants of existing buildings, but wind up crushing everyone else. Good intentions, but terrible unintended consequences.
noamsml|12 years ago
That's not really how WiFi works. Chances are his router is on the same frequency as the buses and he can fix this by changing to a different frequency. Even more likely (since one SSID shouldn't make too much of a difference) is that his WiFi router crashes at random and there's some amount of false causation there.
I know this isn't the beef of the article, but this sort of magical thinking that insists on forcing every little thing into a framework of a class war between the upper middle class and the lower/lower middle class is.
mindslight|12 years ago
But sure, use a partial understanding of technology to generate a narrative in which this guy has only a self-created problem, and take from him the benefit of the doubt. Then we can turn off our empathy circuits, reject this very dear example, and continue pretending that its workers (and users) are not pawns of a malevolent Google.
diminoten|12 years ago
Gives a new meaning to "noise complaint".
Actually, what constitutes "noise" in the context of noise volume laws? Devices have to accept interference as per FCC regulation, but isn't "overpowering" a specific WiFi frequency fundamentally the same thing as blaring music?
freehunter|12 years ago
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bparsons|12 years ago
The NIMBYs are responsible for the complete lack of new market housing in SF, and have hilariously priced themselves out of the market.
tmp755|12 years ago
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2013/08/all_48000_san_fra...
I'd guess that there are NIMBY building costs that prevented housing construction until the rent got so high, but it does look like an end is in sight.
raldi|12 years ago
She misses an opportunity to make a similar point about antidevelopment San Franciscans being insulated by their rent control, but she comes close to it when talking about the Ellis Act. What makes this law so terrifying to longtime, usually antidensity, residents is that it puts them on equal footing with all the new arrivals. It forces them to lie in the bed they've made.
It's like how the draft can turn hawks into doves amongst people who wouldn't otherwise have children in the military.
thwarted|12 years ago
raldi|12 years ago
The problem is that Caltrain (and BART outside SF proper) has its stations along the periphery instead of the heart of town. You can't jump on Caltrain in the Mission or Noe Valley or even Market St, and on the southern end, it's not going to drop you off anywhere near anything.
This is because California, and the Bay Area in particular, follows a policy of "The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many", and when previous generations were deciding where to put stations, they didn't use eminent domain like most municipalities would; instead, they built them either in the few parcels of vacant land off on the periphery, or along the freeway land they already owned, which is perhaps the most pedestrian-hostile arrangement possible.
BashiBazouk|12 years ago
The problem is really, that the train tracks were built in the 1860's when all these places were little towns linked by farms and fields. Then the automobile took over and there was just not seen the need for branch lines. Now it's solid industrial/suburbia all the way up and eminent domain would be way too expensive both in terms of money and politics.
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zach|12 years ago
Isn't this just another argument for the innovative promise of remote work? That both the old centralized model of the company town, and the hub-and-spoke suburban campus model, impose all kinds of costs and limitations on employees and the community as well as the company? It's surely impressive that certain companies have become cultural forces in their region, but it's not always eventually a good thing (see the Great Lakes area), and the inevitable cultural conflicts are bloody and never-ending.
Also, I wonder if other parts of the continent (whom would probably buy Google the buses to transport people in or out of their city) laugh or cry when they read about these first-world-economy problems.
thwarted|12 years ago
logfromblammo|12 years ago
The problem is that there are few other nucleation sites that a viable tech community can condense around. The major tech employers are not spreading out to lower their impact. There's no reason why 2000 employees all need to be on the same campus. There is no way in Hades you are cross-pollinating your divisions to that extent.
Spread out and invest in connectivity technologies that make talking across the continent as easy as over a cubicle wall.
wf|12 years ago
What? There are lots of places that could fill this role.
logical42|12 years ago
bronbron|12 years ago
Uh, what?
This is kind of a silly point, but I think it exemplifies how misplaced all this tension is.
For example, mayor LaGuardia put a TON of work into forcing the privately owned transit lines to become a public good in NYC. The "captains of industry" didn't improve public transportation - they just started their own transportation companies. It took a lot of hard work by a lot of great government officials for the NYC subway to become the awesome service that it is today (incoming jokes about the L train).
The city of San Francisco's biggest enemy in this whole "nouveau riche" problem is the city of San Francisco. But everyone's too busy cuttin' each other's throats to realize that.
aetherson|12 years ago
tmp755|12 years ago
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-eviction...
The solution to the rising price to rent is to increase supply. Anybody in SF should be able to drive up Market and see evidence of the massive number of units just opening up.
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ChrisNorstrom|12 years ago
The idiocy of this article is disturbing:
"Twitter got this tax break to stay in San Francisco that they blackmailed out of the mayor" (They "blackmailed" him? Really?)
"young men coming in, and they’re transient. They’re not committed to the place" (which is why they bought a house in a dump neighborhood to fix up and keep for the rest of their lives. Jesus give them time, they're not going to settle down, get married, and have kids right after college.)
It seems no journalist is willing to see this from the other point of view. Which is blaming San Francisco's politics. 1 of 4 things is happening here:
● Politics have bought out journalism to such a degree that a serious conversation criticizing San Fran cannot take place.
● Journalists today really are that one sided.
● The media is trying to fuel a class war, they just got done fueling a race war with the Trayvon Martin trial.
● Somebody has a serious hatred for Google in particular because all of this anger is directed towards them.
mistakoala|12 years ago
Isn't that similar rhetoric that was employed in the 20s and 30s? That comment conjures up memories of reading Of Mice and Men.
She should just have the balls to say she's anti-immigrant, wherever they're from.
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chasing|12 years ago
Now, I can afford to continue living there, so maybe it's easy to hold this view, but I never felt I could get too upset about this situation.
First: It's a great sign that the neighborhood's so desirable that people will spend to move there. It's bringing in business (and helping existing businesses). It's making things safer. Making things more interesting.
Second: I've been around for longer than many people, but I transplanted there at some point, as well.
Third: Neighborhoods and cities change. No way around it. Much rather they grow and become popular with smart, upwardly-mobile young people (with a creative streak) than grow stale or decay.
Fourth: If something is a limited resource but in high demand, the price goes up! While I don't believe people should be kicked out their homes willy-nilly, I also believe that if a ton of people want something, then it's fair for the market to respond by raising prices (with some constraints, of course, which I'm not going to get into here). To me, this is one of the downsides of renting. You run that risk. If that's not appealing, then one should try to own (which could be a nice investment if your area is booming).
Am I being a douchebag gentrification-sympathizer? Maybe I'm just one of the people the "real residents" get to hate on -- a white male with a bit of extra disposable income.
Anyway: Not SF-specific. But certainly other parts of the country are having similar issues. (I lived in Austin for 27 years, and though I don't keep up with local politics there, I bet they're also going through a light-weight version of this in areas.)
Crito|12 years ago
I think here you have touched on the root of all of these sort of "issues": the notion that people how have lived in a neighborhood longer than others are somehow "better", "more deserving", or "'real' citizens".
erikpukinskis|12 years ago
Maybe. Do you interact with poorer and long-time residents, or only other wealthy people? Do you support longstanding shops, or just the new expensive ones?
300bps|12 years ago
This is from Rebecca Solnit's Wikipedia page. This is the longest way of saying, "Dropped Out of High School" I have ever heard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Solnit
vikas5678|12 years ago
jpao79|12 years ago
I think she's on to something here... A smart community activist in conjunction with a pro-active real estate developer with a really long term vision could 'organically' help create neighborhoods ready for gentrification (and profit handsomely) and help create great places for artists, writers and activists to live at the same time.
All that's needed is a website that organizes groups of artists, writers and activists to tell them where to go live next, flash mob style. Once the artists, writers and activists have sown the seeds of gentrification, the developer can then provide the members some financial (or non-financial) reward to move on to the next neighborhood and start the process anew.
Basically it'd be comp'ing the group for all the work they have done to create a live-able, dynamic neighborhood which is not happening today.
erikpukinskis|12 years ago
We don't acknowledge other people in the street. We draw arbitrary lines between "scary" people and "less scary" people, but in reality are using race and class markers to make those decisions. And we treat somewhere between "the scary few" and "everyone not white" as if they don't exist. We don't shop at local shops and restaurants, we leave the area to go to restaurants that either appeal to their class background or their racial comfort zone.
I'm not trying to place blame, or say we are "classists" or "racists". As someone who tries and often fails to do the opposite, I can see how hard it is. There are real dangers to be afraid of. It's not easy to walk into a barbeque place where you're the only white person and have that be your Date Night go-to spot.
That said, I think a lot of people moving out here aren't even trying to understand what it's like having a different class of people move into your neighborhood and "walk among you" as if you don't even exist, terraforming the space you struggled in your whole life with a snap of the fingers.
I know San Francisco is a different place, and it's more white, which changes some of this stuff. But in the Mission I know there are similar things happening in Latin@ neighborhoods. People who have been living in those neighborhoods for decades who were central contributors to that place are being pushed out to the East Bay and elsewhere because they can't afford rent.
Maybe it's inevitable, and maybe it's no one's fault. But I don't see how anyone can deny that important cultural institutions are being destroyed so that rich tech folks can have nice apartments to live in in "funky" neighborhoods.
300bps|12 years ago
This lady is out of her gourd. She appears to be talking about this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/science/new-3-million-priz...
This alone makes it obvious what her real problem is. She wants people to give their money to causes that she supports. She does that by stating that they aren't civicly minded but she's just belittling what civic-minded tasks they're doing because she thinks other ones are important.
Entire article was a waste of time to read.
peterwwillis|12 years ago
If they got enough political control over the zoning board or the city council they could make it impossible for new businesses to be approved, make it harder for the ones there now, and generally make it difficult to impossible to create new condos. Either they suck at local politics or they're being too anti-authoritarian to accomplish their goals in a meaningful way.
AstroChimpHam|12 years ago
mattsfrey|12 years ago
"I met a guy who lives at 24th and Valencia [Street]. He says the Wi-Fi signal on the buses is so powerful that when the Google bus pulls up in front of his house, it uses all the broadband and his Wi-Fi signal crashes. And that’s like a tiny thing that happens to one guy, but it signifies, “We are so mighty, we are crushing your reality.”"
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wonderzombie|12 years ago
The upshot is that I'm way more conflicted than I might have been otherwise. And while it's not like I, as an individual, have some great sway over this debate, I can't imagine I'm the only leftie who feels sympathetic but alienated.
Maybe that's that cost of doing business here, so to speak. It's no secret there's a huge libertarian streak running through tech. And it's not difficult to imagine how unpopular a lot of obnoxious young white men in tech might already be in some areas.
And finally: big name tech companies = big headlines.
Disclosure: I work for one of the big companies discussed in this piece.
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michaelochurch|12 years ago
Google's rank and file are not the bad guys. Irritating them does no good to anyone. When poor proletariat fight somewhat richer proletariat over their rides in "luxury buses", the real bad guys win. Divide and conquer.
The real bad guys aren't "techno riche". They invest in and manage software companies, but they don't know (or care) about technology. They couldn't write a line of code to save their lives. Those software execs making $250k++ per year while working 11-to-3 are MBA-culture colonists (Damaso Effect) who came in because we, as technologists, failed to prevent them from conquering us and drawing off almost all of the wealth we produce. We're very good at busting our balls (and ovaries) to solve hard technical problems, but we're terrible at protecting our own interests, especially as a group.
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wmf|12 years ago
Isn't Mountain View (or pretty much anywhere else in the valley) cheaper than SF? If these people have no time outside of work to appreciate SF and can barely afford the rent, why are they living there?